Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:21:45 -0300 From: Friedrich Locke <friedrich.locke@gmail.com> To: Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks@gmail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. Message-ID: <CANMDHqce0_4p4Ox7BKAAYyo6pL1wr_TWRJRJ7JJOQzjFMGd2Dg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53297C5C.5030608@gmail.com> References: <CAFNm86TGi5VDznAg3FU%2BVLWD9b3fLo-gA1fzhEhseMZfe2hNuA@mail.gmail.com> <53297C5C.5030608@gmail.com>
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Hi, *BSD is by far superior to any linux distro you may ever think. Of course BSD has their problems too. For instance: the installation process of FreeBSD is to complex, OpenBSD is too simple (try to install both and you will see what i mean). I have used FreeBSD and now i am with OpenBSD, but due to questions related to performance, i am having to face FreeBSD again. But only because performance. [] fried On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks@gmail.com>wro= te: > Martin Braun schreef: > >> FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. >> >> I stopped using FreeBSD when it was about 5.x or something because I fou= nd >> I spend more time compiling than I did managing our server room. I went >> with Debian (and the beloved apt-get tool) and I never looked back. >> >> Then I needed to test different containers out so I tested Linux-VServer= , >> Xen, UML, and other stuff, and naturally I had to test FreeBSD Jails. I >> decided to use ezjail and I noticed that FreeBSD has gotten some new >> really >> cool tools and jails combined with ZFS are incredible. >> >> So pkg_add is gone and now there is the new and improved pkg and togethe= r >> with "freebsd-update" it is possible to keep a system upgraded at all >> times >> using ONLY binary packages, which are great! >> >> The whole point of the ports system is as stated on the OpenBSD FAQ: >> >> "The end result of the porting effort are ready-to-install binary >> packages." >> >> So great.. yes? >> >> NO! >> >> Why not? >> >> Because still the FreeBSD ports team doesn't agree with that notion from >> the OpenBSD FAQ about packages. >> > Well it is not said that OpenBSD is right and that there way is the only > way. If you want there policy, use OpenBSD. If it does not cut it, then y= ou > need another solution. > If Linux does not have jails, and you want them then you need FreeBSD wit= h > there package/ports system. If you do not want to compile stuff then ther= e > is almost no choice then to go back to Linux and use apt get. It is a > choice you will need to make. > FreeBSD does have some great features like poudriere which will create > > >> The binary packages on FreeBSD are compiled with so few options availabl= e >> that you end up compiling the whole bunch from source anyway! >> >> A simple setup on a mailserver with Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and a coupl= e >> of other packages doesn't work using the binary packages because they ar= e >> NOT compiled to fit together! >> > Well i use postfix, dovecot and postgreSQL, And another person does not > use a database at all and so on. So to please them all we need a postfix= , > dovecot version that has support for all databases! But what about sasl > support, some want dovecot sasl and other courier sasl. I think the powe= r > off FreeBSD lies in the ports system. I do not want a postfix version wit= h > all options for all databases compiled in that I do not use. The package > system gives you the option to install and use basic versions of the > software, if you want other options then you need to compile the ports. > If you are using a larger set of servers, then start using poudriere. It > will generate packages for you that you can redistribute across servers. > Here is a nice howto . > http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/poudriere > It will give you fine controlled packages ready to pkg add at any time. > > It does not take that long to compile most off the stuff. And to be > honest, sometimes I also would like the pkg add option and be done with i= t. > But with the few servers we are running, I can live with the compile time > it takes to update the services. And when i find time I am going to setup= a > poudriere system to give me the packages I want. > > > >> Now.. what the "=A4"%"#!"!=A4 is the point then!? Why don't we just forg= et >> about binary packages in FreeBSD and make everyone compile? >> >> There's no point in making those pre-made binary packages ready for usag= e >> when they are only freaking compiled to run alone without any kind of >> usage >> what so ever! >> >> Now.. was this post an "acid reflux"? Ooh.. yeah! >> >> Sorry, but I really think it's a shame. >> >> Some don't trust binary packages from FreeBSD and some just like to twea= k >> - >> GREAT! >> >> But others just like to get some work done.. rather than compiling.. >> compiling.. compiling..! >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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