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Date:      Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:31:15 -0500
From:      Edmund_L_Mulligan@armstrong.com
To:        freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: FreeBSD Newbies FAK
Message-ID:  <8625664B.0056D8AA.00@mailex01.Armstrong.com>

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I'd really like to see the tech support system, whatever it turns out to be, set
up into:

*  One area with what do I need to install/how to install/what is FreeBSD type
questions
*  One area for support after the system is running, much like 90% of the
messages in -questions.

Links to each question list would be easy to set up on the WWW sites, a simple
"Do you now have FreeBSD running on your computer?" would be enough.

I think the comments about the changing face of the average newbie from "new to
FreeBSD" to "new to Unix style systems" is very true.  However, this is to be
expected as the face of the average computer user overall changes.  When my dad
and I built our first computer from a kit, we were computer newbies as neither
of us had used one before.  However, we were at a different level than the
newbie of today who gets a computer off the shelf at a local store just like a
toaster.  As much as I hate to admit it  8^)   this is a good thing because it
makes the "industry" grow and that brings better things for all of us.  Here,
I'm pretty much one of the new type.  I'm trying to use the system for my own
hobby use, at home, in my own limited free time.

>From what I have seen the instructions available from the main www.freebsd.org
site are still directed at the first type of newbie.  While it gives simple
directions to make the boot disk, etc., if there are any issues about the
install you're in trouble.  Perhaps I missed it, but is the bit about not
disabling the system console because that particular conflicting resource is OK
listed anywhere in the install directions?  That's the kind of stuff that really
stumps the new users.  I've heard lots of people say they got bit by that one
when they installed.  When I tried to figure out what all the different codes
represented while doing that initial configuration, the listings in the
documentation didn't match the ones actually used on the screen.  That made
figuring out which resource killed the machine very difficult.  As I've hung
around here and on -questions for a few months I'm starting to pick up and save
tips and links to WWW sites that contain information I need.  Things aren't as
confusing now, but in the beginning getting up to the level to be able to ask
semi-understandable questions was tough.  It seems to me that if the progression
from never used FreeBSD to FreeBSD expert was a ladder, rungs 2 through 4 would
be missing (or possible hidden in the basement of the building next door).  You
can do it, but it certainly seems designed to dissuade all but the very
dedicated.  It that is the idea, that's fine.  If the goal is to really make the
system a competitor to the mainstream systems this needs some work.  Or at least
one of those Dummy's Guide To FreeBSD books published.  8^)

One thing I've seen in industry is having a spec/manual/document (whatever) that
is very information intensive that caters to the people who use it every day and
are familiar with all the details.  Then there is another version of the same
document with all kinds of additional definitions, details, examples, history,
etc. to bring you up to speed.  The National Electrical Code works that way,
I've seen electrical specifications work that way, and I like that approach.

I am NOT trying to look down on the efforts of the group that created FreeBSD.
I think this is absolutely amazing that such a system can exist as free
software.   I will continue to follow here and -questions.  I do intend to keep
beating on the system until I learn how it works and get it running.  I'm not
even upset, I'm smiling as I write this.  I'm the kind of person who likes to
add the missing rungs, that's all.  This is NOT to complain, just to see if
other newbies feel the same way.

Ed

Speaking for me, not for Armstrong




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