Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:08:03 -0700 From: Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> To: Robert <rna@reflectively.net> Cc: Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>, Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com>, Craig Hawco <dest@syd.eastlink.ca>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bad IDE Drive Message-ID: <20001009170803.A18961@tao.thought.org> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.20L2.0010091606530.36442-100000@tsunami>; from rna@reflectively.net on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:40:13PM -0400 References: <20001009120739.D15937@tao.thought.org> <Pine.BSF.4.20L2.0010091606530.36442-100000@tsunami>
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On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:40:13PM -0400, Robert wrote: > Hello, > I used to own a Compaq Proliant 800/850 (one of them) with an > internal > RAID 5 array with about 4 8gb Seagate Baracude(SCSI UW). I had two of the > drives fail on me after about 4 years, due to heat and just the > fact that we plain ran them into the ground. I have a feeling that these > new IDE drives, much like some old SCSI drives, have problems with > inadequate ventilation. Most of these new 7200 rpm drives (IDE) run VERY > hot and most people do not provide proper cooling for their computers. I > recommend to anyone who wants to extend the life of their ide > drives to purchase the "drive cooler" product from Antec. Not only do > they cool the drives down they have a protective dust shield where the > fans are so you dont contribute to dirtying the components. Can you explain more about these drive-coolers? URL's or whatever would help. > Also a likely > scenario now-a-days is having your 5.25" slots taken up by a CD-R, > CD-ROM, and whatever else you might have and having your drives crunched > together in the internal 3.25" mount. Imagine three drives just sitting > all together with metals conducting heat throughout one another, not > good! Logic also reasons that most people dont check the heat of the > drive, or have any type of secondary cooling for the drives. I dont think > that its an issue of drive reliability but more so an issue of use and > abuse. If you get a drive and run it for a year or two or three even and > then all of a sudden it dies and you have no warranty it is most likely an > oversight on the consumers part. I have a 540 meg western digital cavier > drive from around 1990-1992 that still works quite nicely, never over used > and always kept in a cool computer. There are also DVD's and tape drives to factor in. The if you have two hard disk drives and a CD-R, you're talking serious heat. > > I have used about every combination possible when it comes to drive > types. I > have had problems with all sorts of different drives and only minimal > failures, due to the fact I keep ALL my computers and drives well > ventilated and in my server rooms I always have auxillary AC. I generally > regard IBM as being the top of the line now for new > IDE drives, however they are more expensive. Seagate makes some nice IDE > drives that you can purchase for decent prices while still getting > quality. Fujitsu, Maxtor, Quantum, etc. are what I regard as the low-end > pay for what you get drive manufacturers. I have seen more probelms with > new western digital drives for some reason its as if they dont have the > "quality" they used to be somewhat known for. > > I know this is the freebsd-stable > list and this topic thread is 100% related to hardware issues but In order > to have a more stable system (regardles of operating system) people need > to realize the foundation of a proper running computer is something > properly configured with decent hardware and a good OS. FreeBSD-stable is > top notch as far as stability is concerned. Its the hardware now-a-days > that is becoming a difficult viewpoint to retain. People > want to > slap an install on a system they picked up getting every bargain they > can and cutting every corner they feel necessary to bring the price > down. If you are like me and you have a 70/30 split as far as SCSI and > IDE are concerned in your network you know how it is. You pay more for > better equipment, > it is something that should be faced and addressed since alot of the posts > in this mailing list are directyl related to > incompatible/non-compliant hardware. I > have even contributed to the threads trying to get various pieces of > equipment to work with this wonderful os that ultimately ended in me > realizing that the 20 bucks saved on a perticular motherboard was not the > way to go. I think we will see alot more volume of these types of > messages as people grow out of linux for servers/etc and switch to freebsd > as an end-all solution(hehe). I just hope their will be a certain degree > of understanding hardware out there versus the other way around. Coming > from the days of the 8086 alot of people learned just what hardware was > about, believe me I have spent a small fortune on this stuff over > time. > The reason I'm echoing this back to -stable is in the hope that it will save lots of grief (and wasted money) over time. The more we know, the wiser our decisions about what to buy off the shelf---like my cheap e-machines Linux box--and how to protect our systems. My Linux system has a single 10G drive and a CDROM that I rarely use. This system and my backup FreeBSD box are chock full of SCSI devices. It would be nice if my replacement for this system could be one or two drives, maybe a DVD, and my tape drive. > > Is there an industry expert out there who can give us some NUMBERS? Or do > they even exist? > > If not, are there any web sites with valid stats? gary > -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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