Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:21:53 -0700 From: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com> To: tlambert2@mindspring.com Cc: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Chad David <davidc@acns.ab.ca>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time_t not to change size on x86 Message-ID: <15328.16705.512452.136986@caddis.yogotech.com> In-Reply-To: <3BE04036.D32ADF9@mindspring.com> References: <XFMail.011029134349.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <3BDE6ED3.64DC027E@mindspring.com> <15326.50508.909158.688936@caddis.yogotech.com> <3BDED2DC.A04B6822@mindspring.com> <20011030110629.A3499@colnta.acns.ab.ca> <3BDFBBB8.EE7E9482@mindspring.com> <15328.11596.96289.16985@caddis.yogotech.com> <3BE04036.D32ADF9@mindspring.com>
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> > In Java, you can not construct uninitialized objects. You can do call > > methods on objects, but these methods are 'static' methods, whose only > > purpose is to allow you call methods that don't require an object to > > work. > > > > A good example of this in Math.sin(), which doesn't require any object > > instantiated in order to perform the operation. > > > > If you have classes that are not fully initialized, then it's an > > implementation issue, which can be done just as easily (or badly) in C++ > > as it can be done in Java. > > You've just made my point for me. 8-). The language is supposed > to be so much better than C++ because it protects you from the > errors you can make in C++... There's no way to keep people from doing stupid things if you want them to do clever things. If you want a completely safe language, try Logo. :) You can't do anything with it, but it's also safe. > > > I actually _like_ the GUI code; takes all kinds, I guess. 8-). > > > > Our latest foray into Win32 + MFC has shown that Java is actually > > *significantly* faster. (We have two applications, the Java one, and > > the win32/MFC application. The Java app runs circles around the win32 > > app that implements the same functionality. We dropped the Java > > development because it didn't have a 'Windows Look and Feel'.) > > Yes, that's very annoying, particularly since Microsoft takes > great pains to publish style guides that, if followed, make > your application totally indistinguishable from any other > Microsoft application. But of course, the marketing people > absolutely hate that... they want the UI that looks like a cell > phone on the screen, and which users can't use naturally by > transferring the training they've had to the new app... 8-). Actually, our marketing folks are the ones who wanted the Windows L&F and killed the Java app. (And, just because I work for Nokia doesn't imply that the only products we have are related to cell phones. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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