Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:57:04 -0800 From: Josef Grosch <jgrosch@mooseriver.com> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Gary Kline <kline@tera.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Windows Refund Day: Watch out for Linux tactics Message-ID: <19990214135704.A13436@mooseriver.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990214114417.03fa0480@mail.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 11:59:58AM -0700 References: <199902132126.NAA14285@athena.tera.com> <199902132126.NAA14285@athena.tera.com> <19990213134206.A10635@mooseriver.com> <4.1.19990214114417.03fa0480@mail.lariat.org>
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On Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 11:59:58AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 01:42 PM 2/13/99 -0800, Josef Grosch wrote: > > >*NOTE* This has been moved to chat. > > > >BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) is also involved in this. BAFUG has > >been coordating the Linux people here in the Bay Area to pull this > >off. > > And the Linux people are doing everything in their power to make sure > that the public thinks EVERYONE there is a Linux user. Note that the > press report you quoted mentions ONLY Linux! My belief is that they > intend to play the users of other operating systems who show up for > patsies -- use them to strengthen the impression that everyone at > the event uses Linux, and only Linux. No, brett this is not the case. I was interviewed by the San Jose Mercury News and the reporter told me that all the Linux people he interviewed took great pains to point out that there were other OSS beside Linux. They emphasized that Linux is equal to FreeBSD in most ways and FreeBSD was better in a good number of ways. > It's also worth noting that the Bay Area organizers are telling users > of alternative operating systems that are NOT "open source" that they > must do "separate" protests. This includes BSDi, as well as Solaris, > BeOs, OS/2, NetWare, etc. They are also making sure that the URL that's > popularized as having information about the event is the URL of a > site devoted to Linux. They're turning the event not into a genuine > protest against Microsoft's tactics but rather into a publicity stunt > for their one alternative. Brett, I am confused how someone who is not here and does not know the people involved can pretend to know what is going on. The above statement is _NOT_ what is going on. Other OS people have been invited and a number of them, such as Solaris and SCO will be there. The BeOs people have be asked by Rick Moen a number of time to attend. They just can't seem to get their act together. I have been running BAFUG for 2 years now (April in our 2nd anniversary) and Nicole Harrington and I have been doing the Install-A-Thons for almost a year now. I have never seen you at either the BAFUG meetings or the Install-A-Thons. I have seen Duncan MacKinnon, Rick Moen and, Don Marti at our meetings and Install-A-Thons. In fact, these hard-core Linux people and others have shown up at most of our Install-A-Thons to help out with promoting FreeBSD and installing FreeBSD. I can't count the number of times I have heard Rick Moen say to people asking about Linux or FreeBSD that FreeBSD has a better IP stack or VM system. He often tells people that if they are running a web server that is getting 1000 hits a day that either Linux or FreeBSD will do but if you are getting 1,000,000 hits a day you had better be running FreeBSD, that Linux will just not hold up to that kind of traffic. The truth of the matter is that here in the Bay Area the Linux and FreeBSD camps work together based on the theory that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". We play very well together. Both camps are mature enough to acknowledge the strengths of the other OS and weakness of their own OS. You, on the other hand, are an ideologue and a zealot. Something that most people including myself do not like. You are giving FreeBSD a bad name. If you wish to be an ideologue, fine, just do it some where else. I have not seen you at any of the meetings and have never shown up to work the Install-A-Thons. The only thing you have contributed to the Refund Day effort is to piss and moan about how the evil Linux people are taking over. To be very blunt, I am running this show and you don't have a say in this. Let me ask you, are you running a users group in your area? Are you running Install-A-Thons? What are you doing to promote FreeBSD beside pissing and moaning? All you are managing to do is to get youself enshrined in peoples kill filters. Brett, If you don't have something positive to contribute please have the good grace to bugger off. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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