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Date:      Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:01:38 -0500
From:      Drew Baxter <netmonger@genesis.ispace.com>
To:        jgrosch@mooseriver.com, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Gary Kline <kline@tera.com>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Windows Refund Day: Watch out for Linux tactics
Message-ID:  <4.1.19990214170107.03c0c730@genesis.ispace.com>
In-Reply-To: <19990214135704.A13436@mooseriver.com>
References:  <4.1.19990214114417.03fa0480@mail.lariat.org> <199902132126.NAA14285@athena.tera.com> <199902132126.NAA14285@athena.tera.com> <19990213134206.A10635@mooseriver.com> <4.1.19990214114417.03fa0480@mail.lariat.org>

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I'm just kinda curious if Microsoft is closed tomorrow because tomorrow is
a holiday.. :)

At 04:57 PM 2/14/99 , Josef Grosch wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 11:59:58AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote:
>> At 01:42 PM 2/13/99 -0800, Josef Grosch wrote:
>>  
>> >*NOTE* This has been moved to chat.
>> >
>> >BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) is also involved in this. BAFUG has
>> >been coordating the Linux people here in the Bay Area to pull this
>> >off. 
>> 
>> And the Linux people are doing everything in their power to make sure
>> that the public thinks EVERYONE there is a Linux user. Note that the
>> press report you quoted mentions ONLY Linux! My belief is that they 
>> intend to play the users of other operating systems who show up for 
>> patsies -- use them to strengthen the impression that everyone at
>> the event uses Linux, and only Linux.
>
>No, brett this is not the case. I was interviewed by the San Jose Mercury
>News and the reporter told me that all the Linux people he interviewed took
>great pains to point out that there were other OSS beside Linux. They
>emphasized that Linux is equal to FreeBSD in most ways and FreeBSD was
>better in a good number of ways.
>
>> It's also worth noting that the Bay Area organizers are telling users 
>> of alternative operating systems that are NOT "open source" that they 
>> must do "separate" protests. This includes BSDi, as well as Solaris,
>> BeOs, OS/2, NetWare, etc. They are also making sure that the URL that's
>> popularized as having information about the event is the URL of a
>> site devoted to Linux. They're turning the event not into a genuine
>> protest against Microsoft's tactics but rather into a publicity stunt
>> for their one alternative.
>
>Brett, I am confused how someone who is not here and does not know the
>people involved can pretend to know what is going on. The above statement is
>_NOT_ what is going on. Other OS people have been invited and a number of
>them, such as Solaris and SCO will be there. The BeOs people have be asked
>by Rick Moen a number of time to attend. They just can't seem to get their
>act together. 
>
>I have been running BAFUG for 2 years now (April in our 2nd anniversary) and
>Nicole Harrington and I have been doing the Install-A-Thons for almost a
>year now. I have never seen you at either the BAFUG meetings or the
>Install-A-Thons. I have seen Duncan MacKinnon, Rick Moen and, Don Marti at
>our meetings and Install-A-Thons. In fact, these hard-core Linux people and
>others have shown up at most of our Install-A-Thons to help out with
>promoting FreeBSD and installing FreeBSD. I can't count the number of times
>I have heard Rick Moen say to people asking about Linux or FreeBSD that
>FreeBSD has a better IP stack or VM system. He often tells people that if
>they are running a web server that is getting 1000 hits a day that either
>Linux or FreeBSD will do but if you are getting 1,000,000 hits a day you
>had better be running FreeBSD, that Linux will just not hold up to that
>kind of traffic.
>
>The truth of the matter is that here in the Bay Area the Linux and FreeBSD
>camps work together based on the theory that "The enemy of my enemy is my
>friend". We play very well together. Both camps are mature enough to
>acknowledge the strengths of the other OS and weakness of their own
>OS. You, on the other hand, are an ideologue and a zealot. Something that
>most people including myself do not like. You are giving FreeBSD a bad
>name. If you wish to be an ideologue, fine, just do it some where else.
>
>I have not seen you at any of the meetings and have never shown up to work
>the Install-A-Thons. The only thing you have contributed to the Refund Day
>effort is to piss and moan about how the evil Linux people are taking
>over. To be very blunt, I am running this show and you don't have a say in
>this.  Let me ask you, are you running a users group in your area? Are you
>running Install-A-Thons? What are you doing to promote FreeBSD beside
>pissing and moaning? All you are managing to do is to get youself enshrined
>in peoples kill filters. 
>
>Brett, If you don't have something positive to contribute please have the
>good grace to bugger off.

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Drew "Droobie" Baxter
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