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Date:      Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:10:59 -0500
From:      Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>
To:        hartzell@alerce.com
Cc:        Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= <sos@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Building new Athlon AMD64 Socket 939 or 940 machine
Message-ID:  <20051129211059.A79771@cons.org>
In-Reply-To: <17292.64661.162502.12034@satchel.alerce.com>; from hartzell@kestrel.alerce.com on Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 05:12:53PM -0800
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George Hartzell wrote on Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 05:12:53PM -0800: 
> Martin Cracauer writes:
>  > [...]
>  > Just to make that clear: the controller works well (well, no NCQ)
>  > [...]
> 
> I'm interested in the Shuttle barebones system that folks were
> discussing a week or so ago.  It uses the Nvidia4 chipset.
> 
> Googling around about the nvidia controller seems to say that the
> device supports NCQ.

It does, but they refuse to give the Linux folks the documentation to
support NCQ (although they do give docs for the rest of the SATA
chip and it works great in Linux and FreeBSD).

I don't know what FreeBSD does here but obviously we are in the same
boat. 

> Is the lack of NCQ support that you're reporting simply a matter of a
> feature that's not yet implemented or is there a more fundamental
> problem?

NVidia's attitude.

But as I said earlier, I like my DFI NForce4 board a lot, the NForce4
ultra chipset is a lot better than my NForce3 250 GB board was.  I
don't use ACPI on my desktops, though.


I'm no sure I recommend shuttles.  They tend to be loud.  Users buying
shuttles usually want small *and* quiet and don't realize both are
mutally exclusive and they have to pick one or the other (or a
Pentium-M system).  If you want it for transportability, fine, but
don't expect a nice living room citizen.

Martin
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