Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:26:50 -0600 From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Message-ID: <15025.31210.825129.795217@guru.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315180735.00c71720@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315075228.00e60ac0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315005732.00b5cef0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314185307.00e6ab00@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314182353.00ba5880@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314170008.00d86960@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314132512.04acb100@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010313211657.00e294a0@localhost> <3AADC096.DE27817@outpost.co.nz> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311235053.00e26140@localhost> <20010305205030.G80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305125259.00cfdae0@localhost> <20010305142108.A17269@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306011342.045fb360@localhost> <20010306081025.A22143@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306092612.00b79f00@localhost> <20010306174618.N32515@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311230800.00e19bd0@localhost> <15020.28993.192354.986367@guru.mired.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010312223234.0445f3a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315180735.00c71720@localhost>
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Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> types: > At 05:59 PM 3/15/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > Stallmans' acts are > >exactly paralleled by the SPA's propoganda posters that say "Copying > >is theft". They are quite literally calling you a thief for using > >FreeBSD. > No, they are doing no such thing. You've clearly gone off the deep > end on this one. You are right - they do no such thing. I'm glad you see that drawing that kind of conclusion would be crazy. I'm not going to do it for either side. > >They no more prove that he has > >done that than the SPA's propoganda - especially when tied with > >Allchin's recent comments - proves that they want to make free > >software illegal. > Stallman has explicitly stated his intent. Many times over. That seems to be a habit of yours - saying what you believe to be true without ever offering any proof. You respond to people not believing you - or to them providing references that show you are wrong - by repeating your believes. This tactic - known as "The Big Lie" is also SOP in political arguments, but not quite as well accepted as doublespeak. > >> Do you think I'd be using BSD if I did? It appears that you're > >> now moving toward the paranoid loony fringe of the FSF, which > >> has lately been touting this absurd, imaginary "threat." > >I'd say I'm reacting to a paranoid, looney dupe of the publishers > >industry. > Nonsense. I'm a programmer, author, and musician who would like > to see creative people rewarded for their efforts. Stallman would > destroy all such rewards. That's why I said "dupe." You don't realize that you've been conned into acting against your own best interests. > >Now that the public has become aware of publishers attacks on fair use > >and artists rights, they are trying to demonize Stallman et. al. to > >provide an excuse and you're helping them. > Not so. The malevolence of Stallman's actions, and the harm they > are doing, are clear to anyone who has seen their effects. The harm that Stallman is doing is no different than the harm any other competitor in the market place does. By not acting for his own best self-interest, he's managed to do harm comparable to that done by those holding monopoly positions. > And the publishers' actions are merely a reaction to Stallman and > his ilk. Bullshit. > >The only problem is that > >their attacks date back to at least 1976; well before the GNU > >Manifesto, the Free Software Foundation, and public access to the > >internet - much less the availability of broadband access that you've > >tried to blame. > Not so. In fact, cases like the VHS case reaffirmed that there > was a balance of rights and interests. It is only recently, with > the escalation of hostilities, that both sides are throwing > mutual respect and balance out the window. There's no such court case as "the VHS case". While the judge of the case I referred to did indeed reaffirm a balance of rights and interests, the publishers response to that attack failing was to attack the rights of the public and artists elsewhere. Again, before the GNU Manifesto and the FSF. These actions are part of a century-long campaign by publishing company to accrue rights to themselves at the expense of the public. > As you are in your intemperate remarks above. What? You mean I'm *not* justified to responding to your calling people "loon" and "dupe" by doing the same? I figured you'd approve of that, since you apparently swallowed the publishers attempt to justify their behavior by pointing at Stallman. <mike -- Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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