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Date:      Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:52:42 +0200
From:      Ruben <fbsd-q@bzerk.org>
To:        Jamie Heckford <jamie@tridentmicrosystems.co.uk>
Cc:        bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Viewpoint on 4.6RC4
Message-ID:  <20020607175242.A83475@ei.bzerk.org>
In-Reply-To: <012601c20e32$c92c6a00$4464a8c0@JAMIEHECKFORD>; from jamie@tridentmicrosystems.co.uk on Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 03:51:20PM %2B0100
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On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 03:51:20PM +0100, Jamie Heckford typed:
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure if this is planned or if it has been done... but is there any
> chance we can have sendmail
> removed (In the next release cycle - or -current)  from a base installation
> completly perl style?

Definitely not in 4.x, that would be a severe violation of POLA.

> 
> Jamie
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce A. Mah" <bmah@FreeBSD.ORG>
> To: "Kenneth Mays" <kmays2000@hotmail.com>
> Cc: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Viewpoint on 4.6RC4
> 
> 
> > If memory serves me right, "Kenneth Mays" wrote:
> >
> > > My only request is that we get to test these applications and
> > > have some of them become the default applications in the base system:
> >
> > Hi Ken--
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback, but it's way too late to be suggesting feature
> > improvements for 4.6-RELEASE.  The time to make suggestions like this is
> > at the start of the release cycle, not the end.  Please see the schedule
> > for 4.6-RELEASE:
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.6R/schedule.html
> >
> > The releases are not about making newer versions of programs available
> > for testing.  They're about making available the best-tested, most
> > dependable code we're able to provide, within engineering and logistical
> > constraints.  If you want to test new stuff *and* you can deal with
> > possible breakage, try -STABLE or -CURRENT.
> >
> > That being said, many of the programs you've listed are already in the
> > ports collection that will ship with 4.6-RELEASE.  They might not be
> > identical to what might eventually show up in the base system (due to
> > some changes, bugfixes, etc. that get made by our developers when
> > integrating them).
> >
> > > 1. NTP 4.1.1a
> >
> > /usr/ports/net/ntp
> >
> > > 2. Sendmail 8.12.4
> >
> > Very recent...I didn't even know this existed until a couple days back.
> > It was added to the ports collection after the ports freeze.
> >
> > > 3. tar 1.13.25 or whatever is the most updated 'stable' version.
> >
> > /usr/ports/archivers/gtar
> >
> > > 4. GCC 2.95.3 & 3.1 selections in GUI (whatever is the most reliable)
> >
> > /usr/ports/lang/gcc295
> > /usr/ports/lang/gcc31
> >
> > > 5. OpenSSH 3.2.3 and OpenSSL 0.9.6c/d
> >
> > That OpenSSH release is pretty recent.  I don't think it made the ports
> > freeze either.
> >
> > /usr/ports/security/openssl
> >
> > > 6. Samba 2.2.4
> >
> > Not in the base system.
> >
> > /usr/ports/net/samba
> >
> > > 7. Nvidia recent drivers (test these with Xfree86 4.2.x) on
> Quadro/geforce
> > > boards
> >
> > Don't know about these.  If we ship them, it'd be in ports, not the
> > base system.
> >
> > > I just notice that this was some of the current issues we are having
> besides
> > > the basic/advanced base system testing. Some of this was already done
> but
> > > listed here for reference.
> > >
> > > I know FreeBSD isn't intended to be a Solaris 9 for the free world (or
> is
> > > it?!?) and I know we all have problems with hardware issues (the most
> > > common). Is there an easier way to put all our issues together in a
> simple
> > > doc to compile the information needed to make improvements for the 4.6
> > > release?!?
> >
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand these two paragraphs.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Bruce.
> >
> >
> >
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