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Date:      Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:00:40 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
To:        rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in (Rahul Siddharthan)
Cc:        tlambert2@mindspring.com (Terry Lambert), brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass), chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: IPFilter not free software?
Message-ID:  <200106051900.MAA18640@usr08.primenet.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010530112848.H57297@lpt.ens.fr> from "Rahul Siddharthan" at May 30, 2001 11:28:48 AM

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> > > > I'll be obliged.  Also if you can point at one "InterJet" or
> > > > "IBM Web Connections" ad which mentions features specific to,
> > > > or use of, FreeBSD.
> > > 
> > > I'm not familiar with these.
> > 
> > OK, so pick "FreeGate" or "Encanto" or "CacheFlow"; whatever.
> 
> Let's take a better known example: Microsoft.  In 1995 they used BSD
> code for their networking in Windows 95.  They widely trumpeted the
> networking features in their advertisements (the Internet was just
> catching on, and Windows 3.1 didn't have any inbuilt internet
> capability).  I don't recall any acknowledgement of UCB in Microsoft's
> advertisements.  Was that, or was it not, a violation of the
> advertising clause (which had not yet been removed at that time)?

They paid in excess of $2M for the port of the code.  Not that
that buys them out, necessarily, but I'm not entirely privvy to
the terms of their license purchase: it could very well have
included a buyout..


> My claim is that the advertising clause would have been violated more
> often than honoured, even by well-meaning people.  Moreover, it was
> inconsistent with the goal of allowing the maximum number of people to
> use the software with the least amount of hassle.

Good thing there is no such thing as an "advertising clause",
except in the cockles of RMS's mind, then...


> Dropping it was a good thing.

Dropping the claim credit clause was a sill ass political
knee-jerk reaction to pressure from, among others, SGI, whose
chief scientist was in the middle of helping the company
self-destruct with the help of the GPL being applied to all
their strategic intellectual property, like XFS.  They are
basically a hollow shell, with their stock hovering around
$2 at an ($4.68) EPS (parens == a loss).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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