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Date:      Thu, 4 May 2006 02:04:56 -0400
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Mike Jakubik <mikej@rogers.com>
Cc:        Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org>, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, stable@freebsd.org, David Kirchner <dpk@dpk.net>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Subject:   Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1
Message-ID:  <20060504060455.GA41929@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <44599732.1050905@rogers.com>
References:  <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060502182302.GA92027@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504021908.GA714@soaustin.net> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> <44599732.1050905@rogers.com>

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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 01:54:58AM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote:
> Kris Kennaway wrote:
> >On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:41:57AM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote:
> > =20
> >>Kris Kennaway wrote:
> >>   =20
> >>>You missed the part where snapshots have caused deadlocks under
> >>>varying conditions since day 1.  They have never worked 100% reliably,
> >>>and despite our best efforts that will remain true with 6.1.
> >>>
> >>>Kris
> >>>=20
> >>>     =20
> >>Then why utilize a known non-functional technology?
> >>   =20
> >
> >Because again, the benefits have been judged by the decision-makers
> >and found to outweigh the drawbacks.  Perhaps that's just a difficult
> >concept for some people to understand if they're used to thinking of
> >everything in binary terms.
> > =20
>=20
>=20
> Yes, i am sorry, but i fail to understand why i would want to use=20
> something that i know does not work correctly. I think there are quite a=
=20
> few of those "drawbacks" that are pissed off.

If you don't want to use software that isn't 100% perfect, your only
hope is to turn off your computer forever.

That's my last word on the subject, thanks.

Kris


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