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Date:      Wed, 22 May 1996 16:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Jake Hamby <jehamby@lightside.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: MkLinux for PowerMac available!
Message-ID:  <Pine.AUX.3.91.960522162758.18912A-100000@covina.lightside.com>
In-Reply-To: <199605222235.PAA05245@phaeton.artisoft.com>

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On Wed, 22 May 1996, Terry Lambert wrote:

> After you install, let me know how the MACH source tree pans out as
> far as whether or not it's using ROM calls to implement device
> drivers (like Tennon systems MachTEN), or if the device drivers are
> truly native code.  If they are native code, then it should be easy
> to rip them out of the MACH into a BSD framework.

Okay, I'll be sure to D/L the source and poke around, once I have the 
thing bootable (i.e. I can FTP, run GCC, and the like).

> Note that the current processor support for the thing is limited to
> the PPC 601 processor systems.  The 603/604 systems won't work.

Too bad.  I hope they have this support (and PCI) before "1.0"!

> The PPC stuff I have going is all 603 based stuff; I *think* it's
> OK for a 604, but I'm pretty sure that it is *not* OK for a 601
> (I was planning a BeBox port eventually, if I can catch up with
> the FreeBSD kernel changes; that should do both the 601 and the
> SMP MEI-as-opposed-to-MESI cache coherency model work).

Hmmm..  I've been reading about the BeBox.  My existing PC is a fine
workhorse, even though it is only a 486DX4/100, I haven't needed any more
CPU personally.  Still, it would be nice to upgrade one day to the fastest
system I can buy and host Unix on.  Do you think the BeBox will pan out on
a pure price/performance level (assuming an SMP OS, of course) vs. a
single-CPU high-end Pentium?  Also, if the whole point of the BeBox is to
host BeOS, then why port Unix to it at all?  I'm not criticizing, just
asking your opinion. 

> In any case, also take a look at the licensing for the MACH sources;
> it may not allow free redistribution so it would be necessary to
> derive documentation from their drivers, and then reimplement; that
> would be tragic for a BSD port.

Will do.

> I am *very* interested in playing in the PowerMac/PowerMac clone
> sandbox.  8-).

Me too.  I would be installing it at work, if not for the fact that I 
have access to multiple SPARC 20's and only one PowerMac which other 
people are using.  Tomorrow, I will try it at school on an external SCSI 
disk hooked up to a PowerMac in a friend's computer lab.  Perhaps, like 
the FreeBSD box in the same lab (buk.smll.csupomona.edu), we can put some 
accounts and Web pages on it, and make it available to other students.  I 
think the PowerMac is a fine platform, which is hampered by a fragile 
OS.  Putting Unix on it is one way to find out its true capabilities.

---Jake



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