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Date:      Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:43:58 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com>
To:        Brandon Gillespie <brandon@roguetrader.com>
Cc:        freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ARC/AlphaBIOS (164UX boards) .. was: Re: horrible hack / SRM console
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.01.9901221242380.59627-100000@herring.nlsystems.com>
In-Reply-To: <19990121060919.A25024@cold.org>

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On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Brandon Gillespie wrote:

> Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:
> > And this is going to become a much bigger issue once all the 164lx
> > boards sell out, as vendors are claiming they will.  Samsung's 164lx
> > replacement, the 164ux, apparently works only with AlphaBios.  From
> > what I've read, DEC's new low-end 164RX board will lack SRM support as
> > well.
> 
> My company is engineering an alpha computer/sales division, for doing
> online sales.  I have been encouraged by the FreeBSD port effort, as I
> much prefer FreeBSD to linux, but it looks as if we are going to be
> using the UX board for our mainstay.  Infact, we do not really have
> much choice, if we buy from Samsung (aka Alpha Processors Inc/API).
> They have the 164UX/BX available in the 2MB and 4MB, and they will
> soon also have another board which uses daughter boards to provide
> dual CPU capability--I believe it is 164UX based as well.  Any other
> board which they have produced in the past have reached the end of
> their life, and they will NOT be producing any more.  Some people may
> still have a few stocked, but that is it.
> 
> The problem is, of course, that these motherboards ONLY seem to
> support the AlphaBIOS.  I'm still digging trying to find the SRM, but
> I cannot.  On API's site they even list the firmware as simply being
> AlphaBIOS, and the ONLY OSes they list as being able to run on it are
> NT and Linux (note the lack of Digital Unix, *sigh*).
> 
> Also, I'm just getting into this so I appologize if I offend anybody
> ;)  But why not join camps and try to fork MILO to work with FreeBSD,
> but basing off the same code base it seems it'd be easier to keep up
> to date for BOTH camps...  However, I suspect this effort (ARC boot)
> is further along than I realize, so I shall desist :)
> 
> As it stands, our default OS when the site rolls out in a month will
> be Linux, with NT as an option.  I would _love_ to have FreeBSD as an
> option (even if it still needs maturing :)
> 
> And to end...after having evaluated the boards I must say they are
> very nice.  Onboard everything--UW2 scsi, IDE and 10/100 NIC.  And
> cheap too (Alpha prices have really dropped all across the board...
> finally :)

Stefan Esser is working on AlphaBIOS booting at the moment but it is very
early days.  We are still at the stage of reverse-engineering the M$
executable format...

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Doug Rabson				Mail:  dfr@nlsystems.com
Nonlinear Systems Ltd.			Phone: +44 181 442 9037



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