Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:07:32 -0800 (PST) From: alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: dcs@newsguy.com, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Message-ID: <199812311807.KAA27750@hub.freebsd.org>
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In Reply to Your Message of Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06: 57:45 PST
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:55:20 -0500
From: Jerry Alexandratos <alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu>
Message-ID: <199812311255.aa06349@mail.eecis.udel.edu>
"Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@freebsd.org> says:
: > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:40:24 +0900
: > From: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>
: >
: > As horrible as sendmail is, I doubt we could remove it from the
: > source without a major riot. So, what it is GAINED by having Postfix
: > in the contrib instead of the ports?
:
: for many of our users sendmail.cf is a major hurdle. i know i have
: made money customizing sendmail.cf for people. postfix does the
: common sendmail.cf reconfiguration issues and does them in a way
: that people can roll their own and wont have to pay people like me.
: (hey....wait a minute....why am i doing this. ;)
:
: canonicalization, virtual hosts, spam control, etc. the .mc files
: go a long way to making this easier, but people still flounder.
I'm not disagreeing with any of the "benefits" of postfix. However,
everything you just mentioned about postfix (sendmail drop-in
compatible, human-readable configuration files, scales well to large
installations, etc...) is being done and has been done by exim over the
past few years. Hey, except for the "sendmail drop-in" even qmail has
met all of the other qualifications.
So why did we never think of putting these mailers in the tree?
However, here's my real bone of contention. The FreeBSD project has
always been precise and deliberate with what is placed in the source
tree, with the emphasis being stability. Look, we're still using what
everyone and their grandmother calls "a way old compiler" (and yes,
we've almost always been a major version behind). It took forever to
get perl5 into the tree. We still haven't upgraded to the latest
version of CVS. Yada, yada, yada...
And now... Now we want to put a *beta* mailer for which new security
holes and bugs are being found every day in the source tree instead of
the ports tree.
I swear, it's almost like we've become victims of IBM's marketing
machine.
Personally, I think we should focus our efforts on putting either gcc28
or egcs in the tree. 8)
--Jerry
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