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Date:      Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:43:10 -0800
From:      Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
To:        freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: jdk1.3.1p5
Message-ID:  <15382.25038.873386.878424@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us>
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Nate Williams writes:
 > [
 >   Continuing to play devil's advocate here.  I believe native threading
 >   is a step in the right direction, but it's certainly not the panacea
 >   that is implied here.
 > ]

Native threading is *required* for the mozilla plugin.

 > Again, you can do everything (including HotSpot, if you're so inclined)
 > without the native threading.  However, it's *easier* to do without

I beg to differ.  The green threads code is full of bugs and does not
work properly.  This is probably why 1.4 has dropped green threads.  It
is literally impossible to get the mozilla plugin to work with green
threads without spending a lot of time fixing bugs in the green threads
code.

Nate, *you* may have trivial applications that do not rely on extensive
use of threads.  However, any attempt to use real threads to do real
work falls flat when you attempt to use green threads.  Go ahead and
prove me wrong by making the plugin work with green threads.

/Joe

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