Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:31:54 -0400 From: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> To: Chris Knipe <savage@savage.za.org> Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>, FreeBSD - <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <CAGBxaX=imzCGLRmAPphNcDh89MnQruEpwbFS%2BbCceNOiOa_How@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2B4TWFskS-%2BPbEM2bUK%2B5mjTWv=ZsSLnbpCm4OQ3WLWwoE6HYA@mail.gmail.com> References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <13115.1592302784@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20200616071153.00006f4d@seibercom.net> <CA%2B4TWFuWN1BV=FftC1xNCYRgqwX%2BCb=wMg_L9MxFHx17Nzjm5Q@mail.gmail.com> <20200616075548.000066f1@seibercom.net> <20200616140416.bd7b8bf2.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B4TWFtgaMkJWAOuvEpSg2TOo2hrG-P7EHJUigCQwgQw3iXtWQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200616142043.7d599458.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B4TWFvf7w=4djQfWLtXhqmip0Rb72Js6BbOW=F_gUkufXuQFw@mail.gmail.com> <20200616144141.6203d978e9bd43418b17dcbc@sohara.org> <CA%2B4TWFsCcegZN7L0CGzJ1PFinROmRy1ypZ6mxF59zDeXHh2C=A@mail.gmail.com> <CAGBxaX=GZ-PRYJT_n%2BXpqRHmsFwGq58tSF0emqCJ__ioot7Lpw@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B4TWFu5_aPENk6W3Pm6dQhT4DDCFM3XnQ_2en7yeGad1k15WA@mail.gmail.com> <CAGBxaXkyAr=EmFkGed9SbLqNBfzuTuZJkWsKm=q=hjMjUSix9Q@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B4TWFskS-%2BPbEM2bUK%2B5mjTWv=ZsSLnbpCm4OQ3WLWwoE6HYA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:22 AM Chris Knipe <savage@savage.za.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 4:06 PM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Simple - don't email it. If you do, attach it as an attachment (MIME is >>> there for a reason)... >>> >>> There's GIT / CVS / Take your pick for a reason... :-) >>> >> >> If you don't like email then you should not be using FreeBSD because for >> better or worse the community has standardized on email as the primary tech >> support venue and thus absolutely needs to have something that can be used >> to give tech support (including 100% accurate cut and pasting). >> > > And again - there's absolutely -nothing- wrong with that at all, I never > said that there was... Millions of companies provide support to millions of > users every day using email... That being said, I get a 80 character plain > text email from a company as "support," I deem that as unprofessional, and > the email will more than likely just be deleted. We live in modern times, > unfortunately. Presentation matters, whether you like it or not. > > Cut & paste from the attachment, then you won't have any formatting issues > from any MUAs, but I guess it's too much effort to open the attachment. > There's plenty of solutions (UUEncode/BASE64, as you so nicely put it, has > also been trialed and tested over many, many years, just FYI - it also has > the benefit of < 80 characters wide), 80x25 is not one of them, and whether > you like it or not, you will -never- get the world to adhere to a 80 (or 74 > or whatever) character wide email. The world has moved on, deal with it. > Extra and unneeded steps for a properly behaving MUA and but from your point of view this is the very behavior that is *BAD*. > > The fact is, you should be committing your code to a repository, and > checking said code out of said repository when you need it. In an open > source environment, said code is also publicly viewable using any half > decent web browser (I guess GITHUB is also doing it wrong?) No, code > should not be shared via email - and if you do then so be it - your choice, > not a requirement. You don't need to email the code, all you can do is > email a URL to your commit / diff... Again, too much effort to open a URL > right? I forgot that in the old days without GUIs, we couldn't even double > click. I guess you still can't today. > You missed the point completely then. People don't share production/committed code via email they share snippets when asking for debugging help and those are the ones that need to be 100% accurate cut and pasted because some applications/languages care a great deal about whitespace (like python). > Again, it's the minority that is sharing code via email... In fact, I > would say very, very, very little people do it. > If that is what you think you sure have not been on this list (or any other FreeBSD mailing list) for any significant amount of time (people do it everyday here). -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
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