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Date:      Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:04:22 -0800 (PST)
From:      batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie)
To:        lithium@cia-g.com (Stephen Fisher)
Cc:        freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [Last revision?]: FreeBSD server considerations..
Message-ID:  <m0tqlk6-000AnbC@agora.rdrop.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960224145304.524A-100000@gallup.cia-g.com> from "Stephen Fisher" at Feb 24, 96 03:13:13 pm

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> Mother board: AMD 586/133 CPU w/ MB $230.  Either this "almost-pentium" 
> or an AMD/Intel 486DX4/133 with ASUS MB.  It doesn't need to handle TOO 
> much growth yet so I believe the 486 will just have to do for now ;).  

Since I work for Intel, I can't recommend AMD chips :-) but I can recommend
that whatever you get, you make sure it has a large memory capacity.  As an
ISP, that's going to be what you need the most.  My 486 was only occasionally
maxing out, but the 32Meg my motherboard supported was killing me.  Still,
I don't mind having a Pentium 133 now :-)

> Hmm.. But they also have heard ASUS 
> MBs are the best.

I've had no problems at all with my ASUS-PCI/I-P55TP4XE motherboard ---
works great.

> SCSI Drives: Two Conner or Quantum 1.08GB drives.  The 2GB seemed to be 
> more than twice the price of the 1GB drives.  $245/Each.

I'm using 2G just for /home for 400-500 active users and 600 accounts (I
don't remove expired accounts immediately, as they have a habit of suddenly
finding the money and wanting them restored).

1G for the system disk will work if you don't have anything but kernel
source online, but over all, you're going to find this cramped fairly
quickly with log files, mail spool and the like.  If you're putting web
servers and ftp servers on this also, it's going to fill up almost
instantly.

Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/sd0a      453342   317162    99912    76%    /
/dev/sd1s1e   1438568   918558   404924    69%    /usr/src
/dev/sd0s1e   1514260  1367400    25718    98%    /var
/dev/sd2s1e   1986751  1674694   252454    87%    /home

I've got the full 2.1 release in /var, which is the main reason it's filled
up, but also:

78586   /var/httpd
96464   /var/log
300882  /var/mail

(yeah, looks like I need to go do some cleanup...)

And don't forget swap --- you'll want at least 128M.  That's probably
enough though.

> Memory: 16Meg.  I will upgrade to 32Meg shortly, when needed.  Just about 
> $400.

At peak times, I have about 30+ users logged in, about half net and half
dialup, and have 64Meg of RAM.  It isn't too bad, but it really wants about
96Meg.  I'm only running one web server and have nothing too much in ftp.

> Any other recommendations or suggestions?  I'll sleep on this and go 
> ahead and buy it if there are no visible problems with what I am buying.

It's not possible to buy too much disk or memory...

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