Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:08:18 -0800 From: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> To: Anthony Atkielski <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com> Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the desktop (was: TheRegister article on Hotmail) Message-ID: <3DDF4582.91B6820B@mindspring.com> References: <20021121161453.GA69019_submonkey.net@ns.sol.net> <008501c2917a$ac643080$0a00000a_atkielski.com@ns.sol.net> <200211221502.gAMF2a6a089963@catflap.bishopston.net> <20021122234047.GB60785@wantadilla.lemis.com> <014201c29296$f9cc4a20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20021123023624.GA97416@gothmog.gr> <017101c2929b$18ef7e50$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20021123033041.GA3884@gothmog.gr> <019901c292a3$b9c31690$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20021123040925.GB4320@gothmog.gr> <01a201c292a7$23338d50$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3DDF2A12.31DABCF5@mindspring.com> <01dc01c292c6$e31cca90$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> > Frankly, your headers indicate that your MUA
> > is Outlook Express version 6.00.2720.3000. In
> > that MUA, there is an icon bar in the message
> > viewing window, ans the second and third buttons
> > from the left are "Reply" and "Reply All",
> > respectively.
>
> But there is no button for "reply to a mailing list that isn't identified
> anywhere in the headers."
Of course not. It's a breach of ettiquite to do that. Only
a jerk forwards a private email, or part of a private email,
to a mailing list. That's what people were complining about
you doing.
> > ... where the third menu item is "Reply to
> > Sender" , and the fourth is "Reply to All".
>
> The sender is the list owner, not the list itself.
You're wrong. That's not how Outlook interprets "Reply to Sender";
it interprets it as "Reply to the address(es) in the `Reply-To:'
header, if there is one, otherwise reply to the address in the
`From:' header".
If you need me to post the relevent portion of the Outlook Express
version 6 Help file for you because you are unable to click on the
"Help" button yourself, I can oblige you.
> A reply to all still requires that I delete the sender;
Why? So that if the sender is not a subscriber to the list,
they don't se your response to their message? That's a foolish
thing odo, unless it's your goal in life to see your email on
mailing lists, rather than engaging in rational discourse.
> it saves no effort as compared with simply typing the list name
> over the sender's name. (Many posters here are lazy and leave
> the original sender's address in the To: field, but I don't
> like to receive two copies of everything, and I presume others
> don't like that, either.)
It is the job of the receiving system to perform duplicate
suppression. If it's a site-wide option, this should be done on
your mailing list server (or your ISP). If it's not (it usually
is not, for a myriad of very good reasons), then it's the job of
your mail client and your mail client's filters to deal with it.
Personally, I like it: it lets me differentiate important messages
(messages which are addressed to me directly in the "To:" or "Cc:")
from relatively unimportant messages (messages addressed to a list
to which I am subscribed). If it weren't for duplication, I
would not be able to prioritze the mail I receive properly.
> > Actually, you had to go a fair distance out
> > of your way to send a private message to a
> > mailing list, since you had to manually
> > add an address.
>
> No, I simply performed my usual operation of typing the mailing list address
> in the To: field. I have to do that for every reply to these lists. It
> required no additional effort beyond what I usually expend to reply to the
> list.
Why do you have to do that? THe "To:" or "Cc:" field contains
the list name.
If you want that behaviour ("send only to list mail received from
a mailing list"), then you should set "Sender:" as your highest
or second-highest priority header for "Reply to Sender". I guess
you need to spring for the full version of Outlook to do that: cost
of using a feature-poor mail client.
> However, I didn't deliberately send a private message to the list. I'm just
> so used to replacing that field for every single reply to the list that I do
> it automatically.
You should probably point that out to the person whose private
email you sent to the list, in case they are not a list subscriber
and didn't see this message, and appologize. 8-|.
-- Terry
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