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Date:      Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:52:48 +0100
From:      Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@bellavista.cz>
To:        Duncan Anker <d.anker@au.darkbluesea.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Postfix vs. Sendmail
Message-ID:  <20030113105248.GM1196@freepuppy.bellavista.cz>
In-Reply-To: <1042414738.1458.6.camel@duncan.au.darkbluesea.com>
References:  <20030105134445.H96646-100000@dean.goepp.net> <447kdiz6f1.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <1041897164.11871.21.camel@duncan.au.darkbluesea.com> <20030110130358.GN1196@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <1042414738.1458.6.camel@duncan.au.darkbluesea.com>

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# d.anker@au.darkbluesea.com / 2003-01-13 09:38:58 +1000:
> On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 23:03, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> > # d.anker@au.darkbluesea.com / 2003-01-07 09:52:44 +1000:
> > > 
> > > um ... what's wrong with doing this in /etc/make.conf?
> > > 
> > > NO_BIND = true
> > > NO_OPENSSL = true
> > > NO_SENDMAIL = true
> > > 
> > > and so on.
> > > 
> > > Seems to be exactly what you want to do
> > 
> >     No it's not.
> > 
> >     The issue is more complex: Sendmail + DJB's dnscache
> >     + nameserver 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf + default means of
> >     starting up the software = broken system:
> 
> This sounds like a different issue - my suggestion was for how to avoid
> putting sendmail into the system when you build it.

    not really a different issue. the OP wanted to be able to [not]
    install Sendmail, Bind etc. during the initial system setup. that's
    impossible ATM. plus, replacing part of the base with a port might
    break your system.
    
    Neither makes your suggestion "exactly what you want".
 
> Admittedly, after a default install it's already there and you have to
> go and remove it, so yes, there should be an installer option for it.

    and yes, that's what the OP wanted.
 
> >     1) Sendmail gets started (/etc/rc.sendmail)
> >     2) Sendmail looks up it's name (queries 127.0.0.1:53)
> >     3) Sendmail gets upset
> >     4) dnscache gets started (/usr/local/etc/rc.d/000.svscan.sh)
> >     5) too late
> 
> If you need to start sendmail after DJB dnscache, you can disable it in
> /etc/rc.conf and start it from a local script, no?

    yes. that means you must do more than you said originally, and what
    you said originally is not "exactly what you want".

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