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Date:      Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:40:56 -0500 (EST)
From:      Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>
To:        Lanny Baron <lnb@cybertouch.org>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "'Mark L. Holloway'" <mlholloway@yahoo.com>, kahn@deadbbs.com
Subject:   RE: Windows NT and it's use in the business world
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.990707130339.14320j-100000@cygnus.rush.net>
In-Reply-To: <199907071615.MAA14859@freedom.cybertouch.org>

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On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Lanny Baron wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> After reading the mail below, I must agree with Alfred with respect 
> to microsofts marketing. Face it, Gates is the marketing man of 
> the century (for $$). Although I don't really know if FreeBSD per se 
> has a clause regarding a guarantee or non-gurantee, the NT 
> system constantly needs to be rebooted when you install most 
> software. Which, in a corporate environment, could be a real pain. 

It is a realy pain, the amount of downtime forced onto a company
because of NT quickly adds up to thousands and even thousands of
thousands of dollars.

> I certainly agree and understand with companies using ms 
> products for workstations. If I owned or managed a company that 
> needed employees to use programs like Office, I would think it is a 
> lot more common. To train employee's to use FreeBSD 
> workstations could be very expensive and I would imagine a lot of 
> people quitting over it. They don't want to learn (the employees ..) 
> new (ok not so new but new to them) OS's and how to run Xemacs. 
> Not only that, most companies I have sent resumes to, expect it in 
> ms .doc format. Why? So they know you at least can use ms word.

This argument against unix has always been total bull sh*t,
give someone in marketting a computer with no OS installed
and you're being a fool.  Two week later they still won't 
have anything installed.  When windows is used not only are the
machine pre-configured but then they are crippled severly
so someone "doesn't drag the internet into the recycling bin"

FreeBSD can also be installed, non-crippled ahead of time
for these people, there is no OS to learn, how many people
in accounting really know how to change thier IP address in
95? in NT? in FreeBSD?  When does this actually matter?

I admit the unix desktop need a lot more work put into it in terms
of desktop publishing needs before it can offer the richness
available in the MS world.  Once some real interapplication
communication framework is done (gnome and kde are already doing
this) you can expect to see some great stuff coming up.

> But all that led me to start to learn Samba. Samba with FreeBSD 
> and you pro's know can out preform NT. It's a matter of marketing 
> on a personal level to get it going.
> 
> I wonder if any of you have done it. If so, can you tell me your 
> success story?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Lanny



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