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Date:      Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:36:06 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Vincent Poy <vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM>
To:        "Jeffrey J. Mountin" <sysop@mixcom.com>
Cc:        isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.)
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.95.970412022930.17814U-100000@mail.MCESTATE.COM>
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970412020711.00c98818@mixcom.com>

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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:

> At 05:49 PM 4/11/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote:
> >>   $3k/month T1 to net
> >	$1.45k/month T1 to the backbone
> 
> Not bad is that port and line cost?  Port being your provider and line for
> what you pay the telco (in case you don't know :).

	Port is $1450 or $1250 with a 2 year contract and the telco is
$200.

> >>   $325/month per PRI(or $410 per 23 analog lines)
> >	Not sure about this one.
> 
> Check on this, as well a channelized T1, which may be signifcantly cheaper.

	Hmmm, what's the difference between this and a channelized T1?

> >	Everyone who works is part of the company's ownership so this
> >eliminates that part.
> 
> Make that 2 advantages.

	Yep =)

> >> Startup equipment:
> >> 
> >>    $17k  Max 4000.
> >	What is a Max 4000?
> 
> Uh, I won't comment, except to say that you should consider Livington PM3
> units and they have an excellent leasing program.  Similar price, fully
> loaded.  The 4000 is outdated and is replaced by the 4004, so you
> definately DO NOT want it.

	Hmmm, what about the offerings from Cisco since I know some of the
Regional providers used it.

> >>    $1500 Cisco 2501.
> >	Doesn't a Cisco 2501 cost more than $1500?  A FreeBSD based PC
> >with a ET card costs about the same I think or should be less.
> 
> Or you could get a 1005, which has only 1 serial port.  The price is right
> and IHMO a stand along router and not a PC-cum-router is the way to go.

	Well, I have used both and the PC router performs exceptionally
well except the Cisco is easier to use.  The 2501 should be the minimum
one should go with.

> >	Hmmm, can't the mail, web be the same machine while news is on 
> >a dedicated machine?
> 
> Certainly!  Best way to start.  Why admin several machines, but I would
> recommend that you have a spare server and update/mirror it.

	Hmmm, do most ISPs have a spare machine and mirror it since
wouldn't backups do the same thing?

> >	Oh okay, are the costs of T1 lines going up or down these days?
> 
> Hard to say, but setup fees are generally over $2000 and contracts are
> cheaper for longer term contracts.

	I know what you mean.  I was asking the backbone provider and they
told me prices will go up but it seems a T1 is a lot cheaper now than it
was a year ago.

> >	So it works more like a business analog line then, paying for
> >outgoing but incoming is still free.
> 
> Depending on where you are the outgoing may be per minute or FOC, but
> outgoing may not be a big factor.

	Hmmm but if it's a POP, why would there be outgoing calls? =)

> >	How much cheaper are BSD boxes compared to the big boxes?
> 
> Much!  A person a one local company sneered at us and another provider
> about  us not having a Sun, let alone an Ultra.  My thought was "all rev'd
> up, but going nowhere" for the cost and customer base size they had.
> 
> IMHO, term servers are good for dial-in shell access.

	What about for both dial-up shell and ppp access?

> Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a
> customer base.

	The customer base isn't the problem but it's what equipment we
need at the remote location and other things that seems to be more
important.


Cheers,
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