Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy <vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM> To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" <sysop@mixcom.com> Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TS Holy War (was Re: Some advice needed.) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970412022930.17814U-100000@mail.MCESTATE.COM> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970412020711.00c98818@mixcom.com>
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On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 05:49 PM 4/11/97 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >> $3k/month T1 to net > > $1.45k/month T1 to the backbone > > Not bad is that port and line cost? Port being your provider and line for > what you pay the telco (in case you don't know :). Port is $1450 or $1250 with a 2 year contract and the telco is $200. > >> $325/month per PRI(or $410 per 23 analog lines) > > Not sure about this one. > > Check on this, as well a channelized T1, which may be signifcantly cheaper. Hmmm, what's the difference between this and a channelized T1? > > Everyone who works is part of the company's ownership so this > >eliminates that part. > > Make that 2 advantages. Yep =) > >> Startup equipment: > >> > >> $17k Max 4000. > > What is a Max 4000? > > Uh, I won't comment, except to say that you should consider Livington PM3 > units and they have an excellent leasing program. Similar price, fully > loaded. The 4000 is outdated and is replaced by the 4004, so you > definately DO NOT want it. Hmmm, what about the offerings from Cisco since I know some of the Regional providers used it. > >> $1500 Cisco 2501. > > Doesn't a Cisco 2501 cost more than $1500? A FreeBSD based PC > >with a ET card costs about the same I think or should be less. > > Or you could get a 1005, which has only 1 serial port. The price is right > and IHMO a stand along router and not a PC-cum-router is the way to go. Well, I have used both and the PC router performs exceptionally well except the Cisco is easier to use. The 2501 should be the minimum one should go with. > > Hmmm, can't the mail, web be the same machine while news is on > >a dedicated machine? > > Certainly! Best way to start. Why admin several machines, but I would > recommend that you have a spare server and update/mirror it. Hmmm, do most ISPs have a spare machine and mirror it since wouldn't backups do the same thing? > > Oh okay, are the costs of T1 lines going up or down these days? > > Hard to say, but setup fees are generally over $2000 and contracts are > cheaper for longer term contracts. I know what you mean. I was asking the backbone provider and they told me prices will go up but it seems a T1 is a lot cheaper now than it was a year ago. > > So it works more like a business analog line then, paying for > >outgoing but incoming is still free. > > Depending on where you are the outgoing may be per minute or FOC, but > outgoing may not be a big factor. Hmmm but if it's a POP, why would there be outgoing calls? =) > > How much cheaper are BSD boxes compared to the big boxes? > > Much! A person a one local company sneered at us and another provider > about us not having a Sun, let alone an Ultra. My thought was "all rev'd > up, but going nowhere" for the cost and customer base size they had. > > IMHO, term servers are good for dial-in shell access. What about for both dial-up shell and ppp access? > Since you have the space and personnel, the biggest thing is to build a > customer base. The customer base isn't the problem but it's what equipment we need at the remote location and other things that seems to be more important. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____]
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