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Date:      Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:16:42 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you!
Message-ID:  <19981109101642.A499@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19981108001932.19745@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 12:19:32AM %2B0000
References:  <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> <19981108100712.V499@freebie.lemis.com> <19981108001932.19745@nothing-going-on.org>

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On Sunday,  8 November 1998 at  0:19:32 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 10:07:12AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Saturday,  7 November 1998 at 21:14:15 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
>>> Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you.
> [...]
>> I did some playing around with this a couple of years ago.  At that
>> time, it was possible to convert the sgml stuff into either TeX or
>> *roff source.  I tried both routes to PostScript, and found the
>> appearance of the *roff-derived version to be superior.  There's
>> something about stuff which has been formatted with TeX which shouts
>> "look at me, I've been formatted with TeX".
>
> True enough. That could just be people using similar styles, fonts, and
> so on. 

Definitely.  I know it's possible to use different styles and fonts
with TeX, but a lot of people seem to find it too difficult.

> It gets pretty easy to spot web pages that have been processed by
> Norm Walsh's DocBook HTML stylesheets as well :-)

Hmm.  Not a recommendation.

>> In addition to that, I consider TeX to be a piece of *(&$*.  This is
>> not lack of experience: I used TeX for years before being forcibly
>> converted to *roff.  If there's any interest in going the *roff path,
>> count me in.
>
> Chuck Robey's mailed me and expressed interest in doing this, but says
> he won't be able to get to it for 45 days or so, because of real world
> commitments. If you wanted to liase with him that would be great.

We'll follow up this one offline.

> I think the most useful contribution would be a *roff backend for Jade,
> because we then have something that's not tied to any one DTD. I have
> no idea how difficult that would be to do, and involves C++ (you may
> or may not consider that a plus). Failing that, anything that can
> read DocBook and spit it *roff is good, and will be greeted with open
> arms.

Ugh.  I've started.  I didn't realize there was so much work to be
done.

> Can we go from *roff to PDF?

Looks like you'd have to go via .dvi.  Presumably there's a DVI driver
for PDF.

Greg
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