Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:58:11 -0800 From: "Jeff Mohler" <speedtoys.racing@gmail.com> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: Chris Slothouber <chris@hier7.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back? Message-ID: <a969fbd10702251658m1c2a00f5g6418c8fb33352f3a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <002201c75940$1e828e00$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> References: <45E0F697.2030005@allcaps.org> <002001c758a1$a3ed10f0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> <45E12693.9050206@hier7.com> <002201c75940$1e828e00$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645>
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Oh ya..i agree. I was being a futurist, not a realist. On 2/25/07, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Slothouber" <chris@hier7.com> > To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back? > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andrew Lentvorski" <bsder@allcaps.org> > > > To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:38 PM > > > Subject: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back? > > > > > > > > >> Can we please get the FreeBSD torrent tracker and/or server back? > > >> > > >> (snip) > > >> > > > > > > Nobody pays the mirrors for their bandwidth. They are hosting and > > > paying for the bandwidth out of the goodness of their hearts. > > > > > > Nothing is stopping you from setting up your own torrent server on a > big > > > fast > > > pipe that everyone else can use, and not pay you for. > > > > > > I don't know for sure how other ISP's do it but we definitely use > > > bandwidth limitations on the servers we host, customers that pay a lot > > > get a lot, customers that pay less get less, and the freebie servers > > > get whatever is left over after the paying customers have had their > fill. > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > I would suspect if you examined the financing scheme used for the > Linux > > > download servers you would find that it is quite different than > FreeBSD. > > > > But isn't the whole point of peer to peer file distribution to > > *distribute* the bandwidth requirements to the point that the costs > > involved for each of the individual peers is trivial but the client > > receiving the file still obtains full speed of a direct download? > > Most of the time the way peer-to-peer filesharing is used, the point is to > hide the sources of the streams, in order to distribute illicit material. > > What your talking about only works if you have a large group of FreeBSD > volunteers > that are willing to run the torrent servers. Let's assume that only 0.01% > of any > population group would step up to the plate to offer a torrent > server. Well > I can see a Linux torrent network working because Linux has an order of > magnitude > greater number of users than FreeBSD. But I think you would find it > impossible > to recruit something like 1000 FreeBSD users to step up to the plate and > offer a torrent server. The population numbers just aren't there. Worse, > the > initial people that offer the server are going to get the brunt of the > load > and > you can't give them any guarentee that your going to be able to recruit > future > torrent servers to lessen the work on them. > > Like out-of-control-broadcating on an Ethernet nework, sometimes in > networking > things just coalesce out of nowhere when the network gets large enough. I > don't > think we have enough FreeBSD users in the population to depend on things > like > this just appearing by themselves. > > FreeBSD came to the "grow big or grow well" crossroads many years ago and > took the "grow well" path. Linux took the "grow big" path. It is very > much > like > what happened to MacOS and Windows. One grew big, the other grew well. > Today, though, neither can really change. FreeBSD can no more displace > Linux > in terms of numbers and in terms of newbies using it, than Linux could > displace > FreeBSD in terms of being able to be usable for commercial products, or > displace > FreeBSD in terms of being able to collect the absolute best developers in > the > industry. I think the Open Source world is much better off for this > happening since > it gives more different choices for the consumers, but by the same coin > your > going to be frustrated if you try to make FreeBSD look, walk and talk just > like > Linux. > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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