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Date:      Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:56 -0700 (MST)
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Kyle Mestery <mestery@winternet.com>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, Annelise Anderson <andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Newest Pentium bug (fatal)
Message-ID:  <199711121751.KAA04568@rocky.mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971112110633.5760A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
References:  <199711121535.IAA03735@rocky.mt.sri.com> <Pine.GSO.3.96.971112110633.5760A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

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> > Just because you have trouble with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
> > Your personal feelings have nothing to do with the existance of lack
> > thereof of God or gods.  If he/she/it truly exists, your beliefs don't
> > somehow make it go away.
> > 
> 
> And in the same token, just because you believe in something doesn't make
> it exist to someone else.

Right, but saying that it *can't* exist because of your personal
feelings is foolishness.  The possibility of the existance of God is
based on knowledge that 'I' don't have absolute knowledge on the
subject, so therefore it's possible that *something* may exist, but
there's not enough 'quantifiable' information to make a scientific
proof, hence the need for Faith.

> did that, then what the heck do we base our beliefs on?  Because we can't
> discount anything, everything is real!

No, I'm saying that the possibility exists *unless* you have complete
knowledge of the problem.  For example, I can tell you with assurance
that my dog is at my house, and that you can verify this is true by
searching my entire house.  You have all the information available to
you, so if you find my dog you've verified the truth of the statement,
and if you don't find my dog, you've verified that I was lying to you.

> You tell me something, and just because I dont believe, it doesnt make
> it not exist, right?  So, I should suddenly ponder the possibility it
> is there?

Yes, you should ponder the possibility that it is there, because you
don't have absolute knowledge of the 'problem space'. :)


Nate



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