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Date:      Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:15:25 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Jan B. Koum " <jkb@best.com>
To:        Chris Coleman <chris@bb.cc.wa.us>
Cc:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Advocates, speak up!  (re: just something to say)
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980703231509.19026B-100000@shell6.ba.best.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.94.980703224031.23528A-100000@bb.cc.wa.us>

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	And also

xfilesmovie.com
alien-resurrection.com
anya.com
bulworth.com
drdolittle.com
volcano.com
foxmovies.com

-- Yan

Jan Koum                  jkb@best.com |  "Turn up the lights; I don't want
www.FreeBSD.org --  The Power to Serve |   to go home in the dark."
---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------
ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you.

On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote:

>
>FreeBSD in Hollywood
>  Check out these FreeBSD/Apache run web sites:
>    www.volcano.com  www.romeoandjuliet.com  www.speed2-cruisecontrol.com
>    These are run by www.gisolutions.com  
>
>Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com)
>Computer Support Analyst I  (509)-762-6341
>FreeBSD Book Project:  http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/
>
>On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum  wrote:
>
>> 
>> 	Here is my list of companies which would appeal to suit wearing
>> droids. Lets add to it and make it biger:
>> 
>> www.yahoo.com
>> www.hotmail.com
>> www.ebay.com
>> www.best.com
>> www.whistle.com
>> www.pluris.com
>> www.linkexchange.com
>> 
>> 	If you have a 4 cpu PPro SMP machine with 1Gig of RAM sittig on
>> the T3 serving a lot of traffic it won't make it on the list. We need
>> companies which actually make money.. and A LOT of money (Yahoo, best,
>> etc) from using FreeBSD.
>> 
>> -- Yan
>> 
>> Jan Koum                  jkb@best.com |  "Turn up the lights; I don't want
>> www.FreeBSD.org --  The Power to Serve |   to go home in the dark."
>> ---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------
>> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you.
>> 
>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote:
>> 
>> >My hidden microphone recorded Jan B. Koum  (jkb@best.com) saying:
>> >
>> >% 
>> >% 	Hi all,
>> >% 
>> >% 	I just wanted to say something here since this list has been quite
>> >% lately. Basically, many of you already know this, but anyway.
>> >% 	Whenever I have to convince someone who is not very technical why
>> >% they should use FreeBSD, I usually try not to bore them with how great our
>> >% vm is, or why is it better to have centralized and hence better controlled
>> >% code. I usually tell people something like this:
>> >% 	"Look, here is an example: yahoo. Their stock is skyrocketing and
>> >% they are doing excellent. Yes, they are using FreeBSD. They have in house
>> >% support for it, but still, they must know what they are doing - their
>> >% whole operation is FreeBSD based. Another example is Hotmail. Even though
>> >% they got bought by MS, they are still using FreeBSD on the front end to
>> >% run their servers since NT couldn't' handle the load. Want another
>> >% example? Take a look at Best Internet -- they jut filed for IPO".
>> >% 	Something in the lines of the above paragraph usually gets a
>> >% message through to the suits that to have successful company you don't
>> >% need NT or Solaris. You just need to have people with a clue. But that is
>> >% another subject.
>> >
>> >Frank Pawlak called me yesterday to chat about what is happening, and
>> >what isn't, in FreeBSD-Advocacy.  As we talked, we decided success 
>> >stories like the above are *exactly* what we need to convince business
>> >people (i.e. "suits") that FreeBSD is a suitable choice for *their*
>> >business.
>> >
>> >Managers may not be the smartest people in the world -- if they were,
>> >they'd be kernel VM developers -- but they are extremely risk averse.
>> >In other words, they don't want to stick their necks out.  In order
>> >for them to say yes to using FreeBSD, they want to see two things:
>> >
>> >1) A business case.  How will using FreeBSD improve their bottom line,
>> >   versus say NT or Linux on a server, or Linux, VxWorks, QNX, LynxOS,
>> >   etc. in an embedded system?
>> >
>> >2) A success story (or 20).  They want to make sure they're NOT breaking
>> >   new ground; that is "risk taking," which is severely punished in most
>> >   (US, at least) companies.
>> >
>> >Frank and I agreed that an outline for a prototypical success story would
>> >be helpful to this group, and an EXAMPLE success story would be even more
>> >helpful.  Since I volunteered to write one a while ago, he *encouraged*
>> >me to get on with it.  ;^)
>> >
>> >I'll be doing that this weekend, as long as my life doesn't intrude.
>> >(See below).
>> >
>> >Please, folks, if you have any contributions to make in this discussion,
>> >hop in now.  Take the initiative like Frank did - find another Advocate,
>> >or someone who should be an Advocate, call him or her on the phone, send
>> >direct email.
>> >
>> >% 	Anyway, happy 4th to those who celebrate (I don't, I just enjoy
>> >% the day off) and lets make some noise on this list.
>> >
>> >*I* spent the afternoon riding a steam train with my family, including my 
>> >two-year-old daughter, who walked up and down the train several times going "choo 
>> >choo choo."  She charmed the other passengers nearly as much as she charmed 
>> >me; they would make whistle sounds "woo woo" as we passed.  We also got to 
>> >meet Karl Malone, of the Utah Jazz NBA (pro basketball) team; he had rented 
>> >the caboose for a family outing.
>> >
>> >We learned a bit of American history, too: the rail route for this train, 
>> >through Provo Canyon in north-central Utah, was first surveyed by the US Army 
>> >Corps of Engineers as a possible route for the transcontinental railroad in 
>> >1839, by a young engineering officer named Jefferson Davis.  Mr. Davis was 
>> >later the first (and only) president of the Confederate States of America, 
>> >near whose capitol I was born, as was my father and older brother.
>> >
>> >Happy Birthday, America!
>> >
>> >--
>> >       "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"
>> >
>> >Wes Peters                                                 Softweyr LLC
>> >http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr                      wes@softweyr.com           
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
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