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Date:      Fri, 03 Jul 1998 22:51:49 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Nicole Harrington <freelist@webweaver.net>
To:        "Jan B. Koum" <jkb@best.com>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>
Subject:   Re: Advocates, speak up!  (re: just something to say)
Message-ID:  <XFMail.980703225149.freelist@webweaver.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980703213823.8899B-100000@shell6.ba.best.com>

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On 04-Jul-98 Jan B. Koum wisely wrote:
> 
>       Here is my list of companies which would appeal to suit wearing
> droids. Lets add to it and make it biger:
> 
> www.yahoo.com
> www.hotmail.com
> www.ebay.com
> www.best.com
> www.whistle.com
> www.pluris.com
> www.linkexchange.com
> 
>       If you have a 4 cpu PPro SMP machine with 1Gig of RAM sittig on
> the T3 serving a lot of traffic it won't make it on the list. We need
> companies which actually make money.. and A LOT of money (Yahoo, best,
> etc) from using FreeBSD.
> 


 Well you can add www.mediacity.com and www.ispchannel.com.
 I have just spend about 500,000 dollars building a system to carry over 100K
users nationwide 90% based on FreeBSD. We just got 10 Million in funding and
are soon to get more. Much more. We are publicly traded as "sof" and our stock
has gone from ~4.00 a share to ~12:00 a share.

 The money and our venture is all public information. I just wish I could make
the FreeBSD part more public It is not exaclty the kind of information they
put on public releases. :<

 Perhaps with this increase of knowlege about who used FreeBSD companies won't
be afraid of letting people know they use it. 


  Nicole


> 
> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote:
> 
>>My hidden microphone recorded Jan B. Koum  (jkb@best.com) saying:
>>
>>% 
>>%     Hi all,
>>% 
>>%     I just wanted to say something here since this list has been quite
>>% lately. Basically, many of you already know this, but anyway.
>>%     Whenever I have to convince someone who is not very technical why
>>% they should use FreeBSD, I usually try not to bore them with how great our
>>% vm is, or why is it better to have centralized and hence better controlled
>>% code. I usually tell people something like this:
>>%     "Look, here is an example: yahoo. Their stock is skyrocketing and
>>% they are doing excellent. Yes, they are using FreeBSD. They have in house
>>% support for it, but still, they must know what they are doing - their
>>% whole operation is FreeBSD based. Another example is Hotmail. Even though
>>% they got bought by MS, they are still using FreeBSD on the front end to
>>% run their servers since NT couldn't' handle the load. Want another
>>% example? Take a look at Best Internet -- they jut filed for IPO".
>>%     Something in the lines of the above paragraph usually gets a
>>% message through to the suits that to have successful company you don't
>>% need NT or Solaris. You just need to have people with a clue. But that is
>>% another subject.
>>
>>Frank Pawlak called me yesterday to chat about what is happening, and
>>what isn't, in FreeBSD-Advocacy.  As we talked, we decided success 
>>stories like the above are *exactly* what we need to convince business
>>people (i.e. "suits") that FreeBSD is a suitable choice for *their*
>>business.
>>
>>Managers may not be the smartest people in the world -- if they were,
>>they'd be kernel VM developers -- but they are extremely risk averse.
>>In other words, they don't want to stick their necks out.  In order
>>for them to say yes to using FreeBSD, they want to see two things:
>>
>>1) A business case.  How will using FreeBSD improve their bottom line,
>>   versus say NT or Linux on a server, or Linux, VxWorks, QNX, LynxOS,
>>   etc. in an embedded system?
>>
>>2) A success story (or 20).  They want to make sure they're NOT breaking
>>   new ground; that is "risk taking," which is severely punished in most
>>   (US, at least) companies.
>>
>>Frank and I agreed that an outline for a prototypical success story would
>>be helpful to this group, and an EXAMPLE success story would be even more
>>helpful.  Since I volunteered to write one a while ago, he *encouraged*
>>me to get on with it.  ;^)
>>
>>I'll be doing that this weekend, as long as my life doesn't intrude.
>>(See below).
>>
>>Please, folks, if you have any contributions to make in this discussion,
>>hop in now.  Take the initiative like Frank did - find another Advocate,
>>or someone who should be an Advocate, call him or her on the phone, send
>>direct email.
>>
>>%     Anyway, happy 4th to those who celebrate (I don't, I just enjoy
>>% the day off) and lets make some noise on this list.
>>
>>*I* spent the afternoon riding a steam train with my family, including my 
>>two-year-old daughter, who walked up and down the train several times going
>>"choo 
>>choo choo."  She charmed the other passengers nearly as much as she charmed 
>>me; they would make whistle sounds "woo woo" as we passed.  We also got to 
>>meet Karl Malone, of the Utah Jazz NBA (pro basketball) team; he had rented 
>>the caboose for a family outing.
>>
>>We learned a bit of American history, too: the rail route for this train, 
>>through Provo Canyon in north-central Utah, was first surveyed by the US Army
>>Corps of Engineers as a possible route for the transcontinental railroad in 
>>1839, by a young engineering officer named Jefferson Davis.  Mr. Davis was 
>>later the first (and only) president of the Confederate States of America, 
>>near whose capitol I was born, as was my father and older brother.
>>
>>Happy Birthday, America!
>>
>>--
>>       "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"
>>
>>Wes Peters                                                 Softweyr LLC
>>http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr                      wes@softweyr.com      
>>
>>
>>
>>
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