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Date:      Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:49:46 +0100 (CET)
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>
To:        Drew Baxter <netmonger@genesis.ispace.com>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Linux "best of breed?"
Message-ID:  <XFMail.981106204946.asmodai@wxs.nl>
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981106133411.00b1a750@genesis.ispace.com>

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On 06-Nov-98 Drew Baxter wrote:
> At 01:43 PM 11/6/98 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

>>There, there ye have it exactly. Linux is but a kernel surrounded by a chaos
>>of distributions in which some good ideas emerge. FreeBSD is an entire
>>Operating System effort. Can we even compare the two then? IMHO, yes and no.
>>Yes: we can compare the different Linux distributions and the entire FreeBSD
>>package. We can also compare the Linux kernel with the FreeBSD kernel. No, we
>>cannot compare FreeBSD to Linux without specifying what we're comparing. 
> 
> You're right, the packaging makes the OS.  Noone cares about the core
> (nucleus) but moreso about the surrounding architecture.. Which is probably
> why Windows is bundled with a bunch of software generally.

I very much care about the nucleus, that's why we also have nuclean members,
errr, _core_ members =)
 
>>As I said before, I myself, the guru friend of mine, two associates of mine
>>all prefer FreeBSD (*BSD) over Linux for reasons that can only be described
>>as real life experience and preference for certain things.
> 
> Friends of mine are all Linux heads, now suddenly they want to switch.. I'm
> like "Why?" and they can't answer.. Everyone wants to be somebody I guess.

The term lemming applies... ;)
 
>>That's a good thing that Wes started, to accumulate the effort out there.
>>Linux users are so keen on quoting where, what and how Linux is used. I only
>>know of the picoBSD project, the Whistle InterJet, Pluto Space and the yes.no
>>website from Eivind (sorry if that is the Pluto Eivind, still working on my
>>Norwegian ;)
> 
> And all those are accomplishments, definitely..  Think this though.. U-Haul
> has been around for years (US and Canada only), and they never once put an
> ad on TV..  That's a common name in a household, "Well you could get a
> U-Haul and move it..".. Sometimes you can generate better and more
> publicity from word of mouth then you ever could with these speils in CNet..

I came to FreeBSD by word of mouth... (sees Eivind and Jordan still regretting
the day I started posting ;)

>>Oh and btw,  "Linux is obsolete" -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
> 
> Obsolete stuff usually never gets updated.. As long as there is revision,
> there will never be total obsoletion...

Sorry, ye obviously might not know the background, and ye couldn't since it
isn't evident in one sentence =)

Andrew and Linus were discussing kernels and Linus insisted on using a
monolithic kernel anno 1991, Andy simply said that that was obsolete (take a
look at Amoebe and Mach).

---
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai
asmodai(at)wxs.nl
Junior Network/Security Specialist
FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve...

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