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Date:      Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:04:56 +0100
From:      Bas Smeelen <b.smeelen@ose.nl>
To:        Gary Palmer <gpalmer@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [patch] Re: SU+J on 9.1-RC2 ISO
Message-ID:  <50941958.7030108@ose.nl>
In-Reply-To: <20121102185929.GA24320@in-addr.com>
References:  <5093F934.7050306@ose.nl> <5093FD3D.3080201@ateamsystems.com> <1351876381.2657.1.camel@mjakubik.localdomain> <50940276.5030306@ateamsystems.com> <50940C20.3090409@ose.nl> <50940E40.3090709@ose.nl> <5094112C.2070102@ose.nl> <20121102184131.GB22755@dft-labs.eu> <20121102185929.GA24320@in-addr.com>

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On 11/02/2012 07=3A59 PM=2C Gary Palmer wrote=3A
=3E On Fri=2C Nov 02=2C 2012 at 07=3A41=3A31PM +0100=2C Mateusz Guzik wrote=
=3A
=3E=3E On Fri=2C Nov 02=2C 2012 at 07=3A30=3A04PM +0100=2C Bas Smeelen wrot=
e=3A
=3E=3E=3E On 11/02/2012 07=3A17 PM=2C Bas Smeelen wrote=3A
=3E=3E=3E=3E On 11/02/2012 07=3A08 PM=2C Bas Smeelen wrote=3A
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E On 11/02/2012 06=3A27 PM=2C Adam Strohl wrote=3A
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E On 11/3/2012 0=3A13=2C Mike Jakubik wrote=3A
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E You can disable SU+J after installing=2C though it wo=
uld be nice if the
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E installer gave you a choice=2E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E This assumes that you know about this flaw=2C which most=
 people do not=2E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E I didn=27t until I discovered it by panic-ing a perfectl=
y fine running
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E server=2E  Getting burned by a known bug like this shoul=
dn=27t be =22SOP=22
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E for users of FreeBSD=2E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E If anything it should be turned off by default=2C and pe=
ople can turn it
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E on if they want given the landmine it plants=2E  If they=
 know how to
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E turn it on they=27re much more likely to be aware of the=
 issue=2E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E
=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E=3E
=3E=3E=3E To sum it up
=3E=3E=3E SU+J should be turned off by default because of
=3E=3E=3E 1=2E It does not work with dumping a live system e=2Eg=2E snapsho=
t
=3E=3E=3E 2=2E it is not recommended for SSD installs
=3E=3E=3E 3=2E =22Smart=22 admins can turn it on if they want
=3E=3E=3E
=3E=3E=3E root=40sys=3A/usr/src/usr=2Esbin/bsdinstall/partedit =23 diff -u=
 gpart=5Fops=2Ec
=3E=3E=3E gpart=5Fops=2Ecnew
=3E=3E=3E --- gpart=5Fops=2Ec    2012-08-06 01=3A54=3A33=2E000000000 +0200=

=3E=3E=3E +++ gpart=5Fops=2Ecnew    2012-11-02 19=3A07=3A45=2E000000000 +01=
00
=3E=3E=3E =40=40 -90=2C8 +90=2C8 =40=40
=3E=3E=3E                =7B=22SU=22=2C =22Softupdates=22=2C
=3E=3E=3E                    =22Enable softupdates =28default=29=22=2C 1=20=
=7D=2C
=3E=3E=3E                =7B=22SUJ=22=2C =22Softupdates journaling=22=2C
=3E=3E=3E -                =22Enable file system journaling =28default -=20=
=22
=3E=3E=3E -                =22turn off for SSDs=29=22=2C 1 =7D=2C
=3E=3E=3E +                =22Disable file system journaling =28default -=
 =22
=3E=3E=3E +                =22turn on for adventurish admins=29=22=2C 0=20=
=7D=2C
=3E=3E=3E                =7B=22TRIM=22=2C =22Enable SSD TRIM support=22=2C=

=3E=3E=3E                    =22Enable TRIM support=2C useful on solid-stat=
e drives=22=2C
=3E=3E=3E                    0 =7D=2C
=3E=3E=3E
=3E=3E=3E Please comment=2C then I can file a PR or not
=3E=3E As was noted in my another mail=2C the kernel will no longer crash w=
hen an
=3E=3E attempt to take a snapshot is made=2E Also AFAIR SUJ can be disabled=

=3E=3E later=2E
=3E=3E
=3E=3E Given that I prefer the following=3A
=3E=3E
=3E=3E diff --git a/usr=2Esbin/bsdinstall/partedit/gpart=5Fops=2Ec b/usr=2E=
sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/gpart=5Fops=2Ec
=3E=3E index 479365a=2E=2E80296c2 100644
=3E=3E --- a/usr=2Esbin/bsdinstall/partedit/gpart=5Fops=2Ec
=3E=3E +++ b/usr=2Esbin/bsdinstall/partedit/gpart=5Fops=2Ec
=3E=3E =40=40 -91=2C7 +91=2C7 =40=40 newfs=5Fcommand=28const char *fstype=
=2C char *command=2C int use=5Fdefault=29
=3E=3E   =09=09=09    =22Enable softupdates =28default=29=22=2C 1 =7D=2C
=3E=3E   =09=09=09=7B=22SUJ=22=2C =22Softupdates journaling=22=2C
=3E=3E   =09=09=09    =22Enable file system journaling =28default - =22
=3E=3E -=09=09=09    =22turn off for SSDs=29=22=2C 1 =7D=2C
=3E=3E +=09=09=09    =22turn off for SSDs or if you use snapshots=29=22=2C=
 1 =7D=2C
=3E=3E   =09=09=09=7B=22TRIM=22=2C =22Enable SSD TRIM support=22=2C
=3E=3E   =09=09=09    =22Enable TRIM support=2C useful on solid-state drive=
s=22=2C
=3E=3E   =09=09=09    0 =7D=2C
=3E=3E
=3E=3E http=3A//people=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/=7Emjg/patches/suj-snapshot-comment=
=2Ediff
=3E How many people realise that snapshots are needed for dump based backup=
s
=3E =28and other related features=29=3F
=3E
=3E Gary

My guess=3F A lot=2E
But most who realize would turn SU+J off on new installs=2E
I just ran across this when doing a new install from 9=2E1-RC2 and not=20=

paying attention e=2Eg=2E realizing that SU+J is turned on by default now=
=2E
I have seen coming this across the mail lists before though=2E



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