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Date:      Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:40:56 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you!
Message-ID:  <19981110084056.S499@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19981109201242.12427@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 08:12:42PM %2B0000
References:  <19981107211415.05931@nothing-going-on.org> <19981108100712.V499@freebie.lemis.com> <19981108001932.19745@nothing-going-on.org> <19981109101642.A499@freebie.lemis.com> <19981109201242.12427@nothing-going-on.org>

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On Monday,  9 November 1998 at 20:12:42 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 10:16:42AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Sunday,  8 November 1998 at  0:19:32 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
>>> True enough. That could just be people using similar styles, fonts, and
>>> so on.
>>
>> Definitely.  I know it's possible to use different styles and fonts
>> with TeX, but a lot of people seem to find it too difficult.
>>
>>> It gets pretty easy to spot web pages that have been processed by
>>> Norm Walsh's DocBook HTML stylesheets as well :-)
>>
>> Hmm.  Not a recommendation.
>
> Yes and no. It's pretty easy to spot documents that have been written
> in LinuxDoc and translated to HTML, they all have the same look and feel.
>
> However, there's nothing to stop people customising Norm's stylesheets,
> or writing their own.

That's what they say about LaTeX too.

> At the moment, his are the de-facto standard for DocBook -> HTML
> conversion, and they work pretty well. As doc/sgml/freebsd.dsl
> shows, they can be customised and chunks can be rewritten, even by a
> DSSSL neophyte like myself, which is something.

OK, at least we have one person who's done it :-)

>> Looks like you'd have to go via .dvi.  Presumably there's a DVI driver
>> for PDF.
>
> I don't think you need to. From what I can see, it should either be a
> case of
>
>     pdftex "&jadetex" handbook.tex
>
> or
>
>    pdfjadetex handbook.tex
>
> I'm pretty certain one of those two should work, when JadeTeX is properly
> installed.

This isn't the question (you edited it out).  The question was: can
groff generate pdf output?  From what I can see, it can generate
PostScript or DVI directly, so the obvious way would be to convert the
DVI to pdf.  I suspect that pdftex is a script which runs TeX and then
an appropriate DVI driver, so we could use the driver for
groff-generated DVI as well.  

I don't have pdftex on my system.  Where do I find it?

Greg
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