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Date:      Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:40:03 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@FreeBSD.org>
To:        freebsd-doc@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option
Message-ID:  <200007110640.XAA76667@freefall.freebsd.org>

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The following reply was made to PR docs/18792; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@FreeBSD.org>
To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bobj@atlantic.net
Subject: Re: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:38:18 +0200

 -On [20000711 04:01], Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.org) wrote:
 >The man page now says:
 >
 >     -r      Print out the date and time that is seconds from the Epoch
 >             (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)).
 >
 >I'm not sure when this was changed, but is that any better?  I don't
 >really like it because it's not valid English really, although it makes
 >more sense in the real manpage because _seconds_ is underlined.  Still,
 >I'd prefer the following:
 
 >--- date.1      2000/06/28 09:20:06     1.39
 >+++ date.1      2000/07/11 01:32:00
 >@@ -45,7 +45,7 @@
 > .Nm date
 > .Op Fl jnu
 > .Op Fl d Ar dst
 >-.Op Fl r Ar seconds
 >+.Op Fl r Ar sec
 > .Op Fl t Ar minutes_west
 > .Oo
 > .Fl v
 
 [snip]
 
 >	-r	Print out the date and time that is _sec_ seconds ...
 >
 >Is that ok?  If Jeroen (my mentor) approves this and no-one objects then
 >I'll commit it.  If people think the current text is fine I'll just
 >close the PR.
 
 Yeah, the change might make it more clear for non native english
 speakers (and probably the english ones as well).
 
 It looks clearer to me.
 
 But don't forget that:
 
 [8:36] [asmodai@daemon] (356) $ date ?
 date: illegal time format
 usage: date [-nu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... 
             [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format]
 
 You cannot change the function arguments (.Fa) around for sake of
 clarity, since it would now conflict with the shown arguments. =)
 I am sure you can find another wording for the paragraph which solves
 this riddle.
 
 -- 
 Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai    asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org]
 Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best  
 The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>;
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