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Date:      Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:29:45 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        "Jan B. Koum " <jkb@best.com>, Chris Coleman <chris@bb.cc.wa.us>
Cc:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Advocates, speak up!  (re: just something to say)
Message-ID:  <19980704172945.J358@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980704003708.27195B-100000@shell6.ba.best.com>; from Jan B. Koum  on Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 12:38:57AM -0700
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On Saturday,  4 July 1998 at  0:38:57 -0700, Jan B. Koum  wrote:
>
> 	Not according to the mail we got: (why would someone lie anyway?)

OK, I give up.  To what part of the text below are you referring?

Greg

> Begin quoting ==========
>
>
>> From jb@www4.nugate.com Sat Jul  4 00:36:58 1998
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:08:42 -0700
> From: Jordan Blum <jb@www4.nugate.com>
> To: www@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Official Movie Sites Using FreeBSD and Apache
>
> Hello:
>
> We are a local ISP located in Hollywood, CA.  We currently host *all* of
> Twentieth Century Fox's official movie sites using the Apache server.  Our
> most recent launch was the official X-Files movie site which is racking up
> more than 3 million hits and over 50MB of data transfer per day.  Pretty
> amazing for free software:-)
>
> Thanks for all of the awesome work.
>
> Here is a short list of sites:
>
> xfilesmovie.com
> alien-resurrection.com
> anya.com
> bulworth.com
> drdolittle.com
> volcano.com
> foxmovies.com
> etc.
> etc.
>
>
> Jordan Blum
> Global Internet Solutions
> http://www.gisolutions.com
> PH 213.993.3700 Ext. 24
> FAX 213.993.3738
>
> End quoting =========
>
> -- Yan
>
> Jan Koum                  jkb@best.com |  "Turn up the lights; I don't want
> www.FreeBSD.org --  The Power to Serve |   to go home in the dark."
> ---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------
> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you.
>
> On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote:
>
>> Those are soon to be FreeBSD, but they run Apache. :-)
>>
>> Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com)
>> Computer Support Analyst I  (509)-762-6341
>> FreeBSD Book Project:  http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 	And also
>>>
>>> xfilesmovie.com
>>> alien-resurrection.com
>>> anya.com
>>> bulworth.com
>>> drdolittle.com
>>> volcano.com
>>> foxmovies.com
>>>
>>> -- Yan
>>>
>>> Jan Koum                  jkb@best.com |  "Turn up the lights; I don't want
>>> www.FreeBSD.org --  The Power to Serve |   to go home in the dark."
>>> ---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------
>>> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> FreeBSD in Hollywood
>>>>  Check out these FreeBSD/Apache run web sites:
>>>>    www.volcano.com  www.romeoandjuliet.com  www.speed2-cruisecontrol.com
>>>>    These are run by www.gisolutions.com
>>>>
>>>> Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com)
>>>> Computer Support Analyst I  (509)-762-6341
>>>> FreeBSD Book Project:  http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Here is my list of companies which would appeal to suit wearing
>>>>> droids. Lets add to it and make it biger:
>>>>>
>>>>> www.yahoo.com
>>>>> www.hotmail.com
>>>>> www.ebay.com
>>>>> www.best.com
>>>>> www.whistle.com
>>>>> www.pluris.com
>>>>> www.linkexchange.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 	If you have a 4 cpu PPro SMP machine with 1Gig of RAM sittig on
>>>>> the T3 serving a lot of traffic it won't make it on the list. We need
>>>>> companies which actually make money.. and A LOT of money (Yahoo, best,
>>>>> etc) from using FreeBSD.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Yan
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan Koum                  jkb@best.com |  "Turn up the lights; I don't want
>>>>> www.FreeBSD.org --  The Power to Serve |   to go home in the dark."
>>>>> ---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------
>>>>> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My hidden microphone recorded Jan B. Koum  (jkb@best.com) saying:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	I just wanted to say something here since this list has been quite
>>>>>>> lately. Basically, many of you already know this, but anyway.
>>>>>>> 	Whenever I have to convince someone who is not very technical why
>>>>>>> they should use FreeBSD, I usually try not to bore them with how great our
>>>>>>> vm is, or why is it better to have centralized and hence better controlled
>>>>>>> code. I usually tell people something like this:
>>>>>>> 	"Look, here is an example: yahoo. Their stock is skyrocketing and
>>>>>>> they are doing excellent. Yes, they are using FreeBSD. They have in house
>>>>>>> support for it, but still, they must know what they are doing - their
>>>>>>> whole operation is FreeBSD based. Another example is Hotmail. Even though
>>>>>>> they got bought by MS, they are still using FreeBSD on the front end to
>>>>>>> run their servers since NT couldn't' handle the load. Want another
>>>>>>> example? Take a look at Best Internet -- they jut filed for IPO".
>>>>>>> 	Something in the lines of the above paragraph usually gets a
>>>>>>> message through to the suits that to have successful company you don't
>>>>>>> need NT or Solaris. You just need to have people with a clue. But that is
>>>>>>> another subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank Pawlak called me yesterday to chat about what is happening, and
>>>>>> what isn't, in FreeBSD-Advocacy.  As we talked, we decided success
>>>>>> stories like the above are *exactly* what we need to convince business
>>>>>> people (i.e. "suits") that FreeBSD is a suitable choice for *their*
>>>>>> business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Managers may not be the smartest people in the world -- if they were,
>>>>>> they'd be kernel VM developers -- but they are extremely risk averse.
>>>>>> In other words, they don't want to stick their necks out..  In order
>>>>>> for them to say yes to using FreeBSD, they want to see two things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) A business case.  How will using FreeBSD improve their bottom line,
>>>>>>   versus say NT or Linux on a server, or Linux, VxWorks, QNX, LynxOS,
>>>>>>   etc. in an embedded system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) A success story (or 20).  They want to make sure they're NOT breaking
>>>>>>   new ground; that is "risk taking," which is severely punished in most
>>>>>>   (US, at least) companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank and I agreed that an outline for a prototypical success story would
>>>>>> be helpful to this group, and an EXAMPLE success story would be even more
>>>>>> helpful.  Since I volunteered to write one a while ago, he *encouraged*
>>>>>> me to get on with it.  ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be doing that this weekend, as long as my life doesn't intrude.
>>>>>> (See below).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, folks, if you have any contributions to make in this discussion,
>>>>>> hop in now.  Take the initiative like Frank did - find another Advocate,
>>>>>> or someone who should be an Advocate, call him or her on the phone, send
>>>>>> direct email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	Anyway, happy 4th to those who celebrate (I don't, I just enjoy
>>>>>>> the day off) and lets make some noise on this list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I* spent the afternoon riding a steam train with my family, including my
>>>>>> two-year-old daughter, who walked up and down the train several times going "choo
>>>>>> choo choo."  She charmed the other passengers nearly as much as she charmed
>>>>>> me; they would make whistle sounds "woo woo" as we passed.  We also got to
>>>>>> meet Karl Malone, of the Utah Jazz NBA (pro basketball) team; he had rented
>>>>>> the caboose for a family outing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We learned a bit of American history, too: the rail route for this train,
>>>>>> through Provo Canyon in north-central Utah, was first surveyed by the US Army
>>>>>> Corps of Engineers as a possible route for the transcontinental railroad in
>>>>>> 1839, by a young engineering officer named Jefferson Davis.  Mr. Davis was
>>>>>> later the first (and only) president of the Confederate States of America,
>>>>>> near whose capitol I was born, as was my father and older brother.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy Birthday, America!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>       "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Peters                                                 Softweyr LLC
>>>>>> http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr                      wes@softweyr.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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