Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:33:56 +0200 From: Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de> To: freebsd-hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? Message-ID: <4891B134.5080303@ultra-secure.de> In-Reply-To: <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <op.uevchzc99aq2h7@mezz.mezzweb.com> <C5BCB173-CB87-4739-99CB-74CF7E76FBC4@ixsystems.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <B057C10B-1269-4295-AA90-24E7AE9D9F08@bnc.net> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <e71790db0807301745i60747da1vdbeb5650421b522f@mail.gmail.com> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <D690D5A4-65AC-460A-AD17-09BBEADD937A@bnc.net> <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com>
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Jeremy Chadwick schrieb: > > > You just did it again -- anti-FreeBSD propaganda and pro-FreeBSD > propaganda in a single paragraph, followed by an oddly-skewed > server-to-desktop comparison, something about computer cosmetics, then a > strange comment about the beastie/Chuck which seems to be negative but > could be positive depending on how you look at it. > > But he has a point. Or better: I can see why he is so ambivalent. For some people it may be enough that you can boot a laptop with FreeBSD and it works with sound+gfx+wifi (if you buy wisely). E.g. it's OK for my Lifebook E8010 and it boots up fast enough so that not having ACPI suspend/resume isn't a drama. It also proved easier to upgrade than Ubuntu on the same hardware. But some people just want their notebook to work in the way it is intended to and with all features they actually paid money for. For those, Apple's offerings are hard to beat. Heck, Apple notebooks even beat Windows-notebooks from vendors who have been selling them for 10 or 15 years in terms of battery-life, mobility and usefulness on the road. No surprise here that FreeBSD loses out. Incidentially. if you go to a (BSD)-conference, even a lot of FreeBSD developers have Apple notebooks (not all, though - but you get Apple-logos galore...). Percentage may be even higher among CORE members - and there's nothing wrong about that. OTOH, I still prefer konsole and xterms on the above FreeBSD notebook, even compared to my (latest-generation) 24 inch iMac. It just feels "X'ier", if you know what I mean.... There are "voiced opinions" every couple of months that boil down to something along the line of: "Just get rid of all the [mobile|old|whatever] crap and concentrate on the server-space, I need [insert server-feature] more than I need this ACPI-stuff that didn't work for me anyway". But I don't think this leads anywhere ;-) Also, I feel it somehow denigrates the work committers do in this area - unpaid work, mostly (is anybody actually paid for hacking this stuff?), I assume. And isn't ACPI nowadays used universally to distribute resources (IRQs etc.) to expansion-cards, even in servers? cheers, Rainer
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