Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:36:38 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> To: Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com> Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us>, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD Message-ID: <20120910183638.2adcb9f3@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120910101711.GA2511@server.rulingia.com> References: <504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org> <504BE12A.50907@shatow.net> <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> <86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1209091628400.13080@ai.fobar.qr> <CAF6rxgnN6GL38o=7LHnGLR-copo=FCpDObxu4SR5PK9yzMNemA@mail.gmail.com> <20120910070331.3fe2900c@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D3002.5040308@dougbarton.us> <20120910075903.10ec8351@X220.ovitrap.com> <20120910101711.GA2511@server.rulingia.com>
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Hi, On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:17:11 +1000 Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com> wrote: > On 2012-Sep-10 07:03:31 +0700, Erich Dollansky > <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: > >you ignore here the problem the typical user will face when > >upgrading. > > Please explain this. A "typical user" doesn't use CVS so they will > never notice its absence. The rare user that uses CVS (and these can > be expected to become rarer over time as people migrate to other VCSs) > can install it from ports. > I would call a typical user a person who reads this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading.html and acts accordingly. > >Removing a basic component should work the other way around. > > Why do you consider CVS a "basic component" of FreeBSD? CVS was in > the base system to support FreeBSD development but FreeBSD has moved > on so there's no longer any technical reason to keep CVS in the base > system. It's also GPL and FreeBSD has a long-term goal of removing > all GPL code from the base system. > The handbook is not a technical reason. Yes. The user base who just follows the handbook is also no technical reason. Ignoring them is also no technical reason. > > It should > >stay in the base system as long as there are servers out there > >supporting it. > > What do you mean by "servers ... supporting" CVS? If you're talking > about FreeBSD, 9.0-RELEASE is the last release that will be available > via CVS. Why should the FreeBSD 10 base system include support for a > VCS that doesn't support it? If you're talking non-FreeBSD uses then > there will be support for CVS servers via the ports system. > > On 2012-Sep-10 07:59:03 +0700, Erich Dollansky > <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: > >The moment you take out the knob off you also take out all CVS > >mirros. > > I don't follow this statement. No-one is stopping anyone else using > CVS. > I know this when considering just this thread. There is a second one saying that the support using CVS for the ports will be stopped. Again, when a user followed strictly the the handbook, the user did not even hear yet from subversion. Erich
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