Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:24:16 -0500 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Erich Dollansky <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: arch@freebsd.org, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us>, Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com> Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD Message-ID: <BB5C9498-DDA6-48BF-8992-FB5D1D5693EF@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20120910183638.2adcb9f3@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org> <504BE12A.50907@shatow.net> <9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com> <86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1209091628400.13080@ai.fobar.qr> <CAF6rxgnN6GL38o=7LHnGLR-copo=FCpDObxu4SR5PK9yzMNemA@mail.gmail.com> <20120910070331.3fe2900c@X220.ovitrap.com> <504D3002.5040308@dougbarton.us> <20120910075903.10ec8351@X220.ovitrap.com> <20120910101711.GA2511@server.rulingia.com> <20120910183638.2adcb9f3@X220.ovitrap.com>
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BTW, it is dangling issues like these that cause me to suggestion = caution and wait until everything is in place to actually pull the = trigger on the removal. I had thought to argue we should keep it in 10, = and kill in 11, but that's a secondary concern since today isn't the = right time due to these issues. Once they are addressed, I wouldn't = object to cvs going away, but would suggest against it. Warner On Sep 10, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:17:11 +1000 > Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com> wrote: >=20 >> On 2012-Sep-10 07:03:31 +0700, Erich Dollansky >> <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: >>> you ignore here the problem the typical user will face when >>> upgrading. >>=20 >> Please explain this. A "typical user" doesn't use CVS so they will >> never notice its absence. The rare user that uses CVS (and these can >> be expected to become rarer over time as people migrate to other = VCSs) >> can install it from ports. >>=20 > I would call a typical user a person who reads this: >=20 > = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgradi= ng.html >=20 > and acts accordingly. >=20 >>> Removing a basic component should work the other way around. >>=20 >> Why do you consider CVS a "basic component" of FreeBSD? CVS was in >> the base system to support FreeBSD development but FreeBSD has moved >> on so there's no longer any technical reason to keep CVS in the base >> system. It's also GPL and FreeBSD has a long-term goal of removing >> all GPL code from the base system. >>=20 > The handbook is not a technical reason. Yes. The user base who just > follows the handbook is also no technical reason. >=20 > Ignoring them is also no technical reason. >=20 >>> It should >>> stay in the base system as long as there are servers out there >>> supporting it. >>=20 >> What do you mean by "servers ... supporting" CVS? If you're talking >> about FreeBSD, 9.0-RELEASE is the last release that will be available >> via CVS. Why should the FreeBSD 10 base system include support for a >> VCS that doesn't support it? If you're talking non-FreeBSD uses then >> there will be support for CVS servers via the ports system. >>=20 >> On 2012-Sep-10 07:59:03 +0700, Erich Dollansky >> <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: >>> The moment you take out the knob off you also take out all CVS >>> mirros. >>=20 >> I don't follow this statement. No-one is stopping anyone else using >> CVS. >>=20 >=20 > I know this when considering just this thread. There is a second one > saying that the support using CVS for the ports will be stopped. >=20 > Again, when a user followed strictly the the handbook, the user did = not > even hear yet from subversion. >=20 > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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