Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:20:20 -0400 From: Ju Ichi <freebsd-security@ichi.net> To: Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Administrivia: Discussion - Making this list subscriber-only Message-ID: <200208271720.20363.freebsd-security@ichi.net> In-Reply-To: <200208271049.g7RAnrl5019226@grimreaper.grondar.org> References: <200208271049.g7RAnrl5019226@grimreaper.grondar.org>
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On Tuesday 27 August 2002 6:49 am, Mark Murray wrote: > Hello Security list members > > I got an overwhelmingly positive (off-list, thanks!) response to > my complaint that this list's signal-to-noise ratio was terrible. As a newbie here, I'd like to respond after having read all of the responses so far. Hopefully, the flames won't be too bad. I've posted a couple of times recently looking for a solution to what I believe is/was a fairly involved, security-related problem. If by doing so, I contrubuted to the noise on the list, I am truly sorry. Being fairly new to FreeBSD, I was not sure where to go. So, I posted to freebsd-questions first, then to freebsd-net, and finally to freebsd-security. The latter is the only one that I received any answers from. I really appreciate the answers too! They helped my by giving me food for thought and while my problem is not solved, I was able to dig into places I didn't know about owing to my being fairly new to FreeBSD and the IPSec implmentation/utilities not being throughly documented. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the lack of documentation. I understand that most everyone is doing this out of a love of it and with limited time. To cut to the chase, there doesn't seem to be a charter or detailed set of guidlines for this list. Without quoting the handbook completely, it says that a) this is a list for "security issues", and b) it is a "technical mailing list for which strictly technical content is expected." So, even given all the discussion, I am unsure as to whether I added to the noise problem or not. It would be nice if some of the people concerned about off-topic discussions could put together something for the uninformed among us. The bottom line to me, is that aside to the UCE/UBE (aka -spam) problem certain members of this list want everyone to adhere to rules that have not IMHO properly voiced in a formal way or in a permanent location. I'm sure there have been discussions on this topic before, but most people are not going to search the archives of a list looking for rules before posting. If you expect that, I think you will be routinely disappointed and frustrated. Just my newbie $0.02 Ju To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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