Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:33:03 -0500 From: The Babbler <bts@babbleon.org> To: jbolivar@cantv.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA Message-ID: <3AB6B34F.918313CB@babbleon.org> References: <544720013119182824140@cantv.net>
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FreeBSD-stable doesn't have releases as such, does it? That is, if you cvsup you get the stable track as it exists that minute. It's *called* "stable" most of the time; as a release gets close, it is renamed BETA and then RC (release candidate), until the day it's truly officially blessed and it is named RELEASE and that version number is frozen. The next day (probably the same minute, actually), the label gets switched back to STABLE and the version number is incremented by one. Regardless of the label, though, it's exactly the same animal. Thus, after 4.2-RELEASE, we got 4.3-STABLE, which is now 4.3-BETA and will become 4.3-RC, and finally the same code base will be frozen into 4.3-RELEASE, at which time 4.4-STABLE will come into existance. "jbolivar@cantv.net" wrote: > > When is the next FreeBSD-stable release???? > > Regards, > > JB > > ----------- Mensaje Original -------------- > > De: Haikal Saadh [wyldephyre2@yahoo.com] > Para: Mike Meyer [mwm@mired.org], Francisco Reyes [fran@reyes.somos.net] > Cc: Mike Meyer [mwm@mired.org], Haikal Saadh [wyldephyre2@yahoo.com], > freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG] > Asunto: Re: 4.3-BETA > Fecha: 18/03/2001 23:23:56 > Mensaje: > > > > --- Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> wrote: > > Francisco Reyes <fran@reyes.somos.net> types: > > > On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > Haikal Saadh <wyldephyre2@yahoo.com> types: > > > > > > > > > > --- Matthew Emmerton <matt@gsicomp.on.ca> > > wrote: > > > > > > > What is a BETA system? Is it similiar to > > CURRENT? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please search through the mailing list > > archives > > > > > > before asking questions. > > > > > > This has been answered many times over the > > last two > > > > > > weeks. > > > > > > > Or maybe just read the FAQ <URL: > > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/admin.html#dmin.html#RELEASE-CANDIDATE > > >, > > > > which makes it clear that the name changes just > > identify what point of > > > > the release cycle that particular snapshot of > > -STABLE is at. > > > I have seen several people tell Haikal to read the > > FAQ, etc.... > > > I really have to agree with him. I don't think > > having a "Beta" label on > > > what is defined in the handbook as "Stable" is a > > good idea. > > > > > > By definition a "new user" to FreeBSD is someone > > who doesn't know yet > > > what are the right places to read/check. > > > > In that case, where did they find the information > > needed to upgrade to > > -STABLE? > > > > > I think responses like the ones he got are the > > reason we consistantly over > > > the years get views of sometimes been unfrienly to > > new users. > > > > We're definitely friendlier to people who show > > evidence of having done > > some research themselves than to those who don't > > show that evidence. > > > > Personally, I always provide a pointer to existing > > documentation > > rather than type it in myself. That saves me typing, > > and the users > > should learn about another valuable resource that > > works faster than > > the mail lists. > > > > Haikal wasn't asking for help, he was suggesting > > inappropriate changes > > to the system to try and help people who had gotten > > past the newbie > > stage - as demonstrated by managing to update to > > -STABLE, getting > > both userland and kernel - past a problem. > > > > > Perhaps a label of "Pre-Release" may be less > > confusing. "Beta" sure gives > > > the wrong impression. > > > > That suggestion isn't inappropriate. On the other > > hand the label "-RC" > > (release candidate) stil generates problems, so I'm > > not sure it would > > work. I suspect that *any* change in name will > > generate "I tried to > > get -STABLE, and got -FOO" messages. Not changing it > > would make life > > difficult for users who *wanted* to know they were > > getting a BETA or > > RC version. > > > > Possibly this information needs to go in the > > handbook on tracking > > -STABLE, rather than a FAQ. > > > > Or a Comment in the example supfile saying "This Can > Get A Beta Release If A Code Freeze Is In Effect" > kinda thing? > > I read the handbook chapter on CVSUpping, as well as > the bit in The Complete FreeBSD, but it really was an > information overload, and I just ended up having a go > with the given example supfile. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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