Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:34 -0500 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD Message-ID: <6497E1D9-6029-4712-8B84-BA2677D39473@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <504E3915.6010004@FreeBSD.org> References: <CAF6rxgnZGjzm230sZXVXxmE7wPowF_BZqbwRjdvz8oV-03gS=A@mail.gmail.com> <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <CAF6rxg=5_jpKVOdnggT1FtJcL6C0odvfAG8CuWCtVQmir-5L4g@mail.gmail.com> <42D7F0F3-46EC-484A-8665-626AD5D0404E@bsdimp.com> <504D2BE4.6030007@FreeBSD.org> <59550073-A4DE-4152-B406-DFC47AF991DC@bsdimp.com> <504D6EE8.5010604@FreeBSD.org> <7470815C-E215-4A57-90AB-773C2B74E2DA@bsdimp.com> <504E30A9.6030905@FreeBSD.org> <66F37598-323F-48E4-B013-093E6893D05F@bsdimp.com> <504E3915.6010004@FreeBSD.org>
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On Sep 10, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 9/10/2012 11:49 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >>=20 >> On Sep 10, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>=20 >>> On 9/10/2012 8:28 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >>>> If all goes according to plan, this will be in a few months. If it = doesn't, then we have a fallback... >>>=20 >>> We already have a fallback, install it from the port. Can you please >>> address why you believe that solution is not adequate? >>=20 >> Because the documentation that we have doesn't say install the port. = It still says use CVS. Once that's updated and translated, that will be = one of the last (last?) thing we need to have things fully cut over and = have cvs really be unused and can then proceed to remove it. >=20 > We're still ripping out places in the docs where we refer to CVS for = src > related stuff, never mind docs and ports. > http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/240316 Should we go back to = using > CVS as the repo until that work is finished? No, we should finish that work as well. The number of people affected = is smaller. And that work should also have been done before the trigger = was pulled. The trigger hasn't been pulled yet on this change. > And as someone else pointed out the average user doesn't use CVS > directly anyway. They use c[v]sup to check out the source, which = doesn't > use anything from the in-base CVS. You'd be surprised how many people use cvsup to get the CVS tree and = then checkout from there. More folks than use the docs tree, I'd wager. > That said, I agree that it's unfortunate that our documentation is so > far behind the curve here, and wish that people would take me more > seriously when I talk about needing a project plan for these kinds of > major infrastructure changes. But just like the mirror creation = process, > the documentation changes are already underway. The sooner we remove = CVS > from the base the sooner we can find other areas that need to be fixed > up, in anticipation of having it polished for 10.0-RELEASE. We should get as much as we can done before pulling the plug, and then = mop up as much as possible from there. Warner
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