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Date:      Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up! 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0108271255520.74870-100000@InterJet.elischer.org>
In-Reply-To: <66544.998934042@critter>

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On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> In message <3B89DF04.F6A250F9@elischer.org>, Julian Elischer writes:
> 
> >I am ready to do my megga-commit to add the first stage of KSE-threading support
> >to 
> >the kernel. If there is any argument as to the wisdom of this move,
> >then this is the time to speak up!
> 
> I say "No, not yet".
> 
> Not yet, because in practice nobody has been running your patches yet.
> 
> Not yet, because we have seen no quantified performance impact numbers
> (yes, I'm trying to arrange to help you produce these but on a P5/133
> things are _S_L_O_W_!
> 
> Not yet, because I seriously doubt if anybody has had any time to review
> and reflect on the way you have gone around and done things.
> 
> Not yet, because there are, as I understand it, unresolved issues with KAME.
> 
> Not yet, because you are generalizing from only one platform, get at least
> alpha working first.
> 
> So I propose:
> 
> Put up your patches in a highly visible place and advertise them on
> -current, -arch and -smp.

Already done several times...

> 
> Once at least 5 developers have publically said "I'm running these
> patches on my -current machine(s) and it doesn't totally hose me"
> and at least 3 of those machines are SMP and one is non-i386
> architecture, then call for "last orders before commit".

I agree..

this is "first orders" :-)

> 
> -- 
> Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
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