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Date:      Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:13:32 +0200 (EET)
From:      Narvi <narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee>
To:        "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Cc:        W Gerald Hicks <jhix@mindspring.com>, giffunip@asme.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: BSD Merger Announcement
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.1000310113704.13688M-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003100422060.690-100000@sasami.jurai.net>

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, W Gerald Hicks wrote:
> > From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" <giffunip@asme.org>
> > [snip]
> > > Some years ago this was unthinkable, today we are very near; I hope we
> > > don't lose this opportunity because of our selfishness. Sure, deciding
> > > what goes in a unified BSD system is a difficult task, especially when
> > > people have worked for decades on certain projects, but we have much to
> > > gain in this effort. So many brilliant hackers together, surely it would
> > > be the envy of any organization !
> > 
> > Wise words.  I agree wholeheartedly.
> 
> While I think we can all dream about a 'Unified BSD' the reality is that
> its not really necessary.  Giving people enough room to do the things they
> want is important and I think the 3 projects provide this room quite
> nicely.
> 

Different people have diverging interests/needs. The only form in which
unified bsd could probably exist is a 'point release' or modularised
hodgepodge from which to start diverging again. 

What would be the opint of unifying UVM and FreeBSD VM, for example?

> I think that userland interface compatibility is an atainable and
> desirable goal that benefits all equally.  Its important that FreeBSD not
> present the appearance of 'strongarming' OpenBSD and NetBSD into
> 'compliance'.  Application portability will help all projects equally and
> will ultimately allow users of all 3 systems to stand and be counted as
> one when it comes time for a commercial software vendor to port their
> software.
> 

Hah. As soon as there is even the slightliest hint of 'we tell you what
to do' a real mudfight will go off. It's a lucky thing if it doesn't go
off even in response to this thread. 

> Another area of mutual benefit is the ports system and while each OS uses
> different tools and implementations in their build/install/package system
> the patches and other meta-information is likely to be sharable.  Wouldn't
> it be nice if we had a unified ports tree?  Again, its important that we
> don't try and force a FreeBSD view of the world on NetBSD and
> OpenBSD; they should be free to use their own tools and local policies for
> building and installing.  If we had users/developers from all 3 projects
> working on maintaining the ports/pkgsrc/foo tree we'd probably be in a
> better position to keep it up to date.  Maybe its time to split the ports
> tree off into its own project?  I know the last time such a thing was
> discussed the other projects rejected the idea fearing that they would
> lack representation in something that was essentially FreeBSD
> centric.  What are the solutions to this problem?
> 

Divorcing the port system from FreeBSD, I am afraid, is indeed needed for
such to work out. 

> -- 
> | Matthew N. Dodd  | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD  |
> | winter@jurai.net |       2 x '84 Volvo 245DL        | ix86,sparc,pmax |
> | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent  | ISO8802.5 4ever |
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