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Date:      Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:18:43 -0700
From:      "David O'Brien" <obrien@freebsd.org>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
Cc:        Jack F Vogel <jfv@freebsd.org>, cvs-src@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Jack Vogel <jfvogel@gmail.com>, cvs-all@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files kern.pre.mk src/sys/dev/em LICENSE e1000_80003es2lan.c e1000_80003es2lan.h e1000_82540.c e1000_82541.c e1000_82541.h e1000_82542.c e1000_82543.c e1000_82543.h e1000_82571.c e1000_82571.h e1000_82575.c ...
Message-ID:  <20071008161843.GC70978@dragon.NUXI.org>
In-Reply-To: <47073AF5.1010109@samsco.org>
References:  <200710052249.l95Mn9Nb071852@repoman.freebsd.org> <20071005231538.GA24016@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <2a41acea0710051705l217224b6vc705dc6139b94e3b@mail.gmail.com> <20071006004634.GA24962@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <47073AF5.1010109@samsco.org>

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On Sat, Oct 06, 2007 at 01:36:21AM -0600, Scott Long wrote:
> Erik Trulsson wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 05:05:05PM -0700, Jack Vogel wrote:
>>> On 10/5/07, Erik Trulsson <ertr1013@student.uu.se> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:49:09PM +0000, Jack F Vogel wrote:
..
>>>>>   Log:
>>>>>   MFC of Intel driver version 6.6.6
..
>>>> Am I right in thinking that this code is actually newer than the
>>>> code in -CURRENT (which seems to be version 6.5.3) ?   If this is
>>>> indeed the case, then shouldn't this code have gone into -CURRENT
>>>> first?
>>>
>>> Yes, it is newer, the reason for this is the delta between what
>>> CURRENT has and this is small, and I did not want to impact CURRENT
>>> while its frozen getting ready for release.
..
>>> I would actually have liked to update BOTH CURRENT and STABLE with
>>> this but I was holding off on CURRENT because there are no critical
>>> bug fixes it doesnt have, and its about to be made into a release.
>>
>> As I understand it the policy of FreeBSD is that new stuff *always*
>> should go into -CURRENT first before it is allowed to go into any
>> -STABLE branch.
..
> What do you expect to accomplish by lecturing a vendor who has shown
> very good faith over the years in supporting FreeBSD?  Maybe we should
> tell Intel to piss off since you obviously know how to support their
> hardware much better than they do.

Scott, I think you're being overly harsh.

Erik was not questioning how this vendor and active FreeBSD committer was
supporting their hardware.  It was a question about FreeBSD practices.  I
think it is a fair question - and one that shows how badly our current
situation of having HEAD tree frozen for an overly extended amount of
time is putting a real crimp on our practices.

-- David



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