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Date:      Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:03:40 -0500 (CDT)
From:      "Valeri Galtsev" <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>
To:        "markham breitbach" <markham@ssimicro.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Ban on spam-sender domains from posting to freebsd-questions
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On Wed, August 2, 2017 11:32 am, markham breitbach wrote:
> I have been a user of FreeBSD since around 2.1 and in all that time I
have been a subscriber to this list intermittently.  This discussion
happens about once a year, and usually generates more traffic than any
of the actual spam.

Disagree.

>
> That being said...
>
> 1.  Yes, there is spam.  It tends to come in bursts, but really isn't
that much.
>
> 2.  Having a subscriber only policy doesn't necessarily prevent spam.

Agree, but it forces using real address, so leaves only spam sent by nut
cases. Banning them off the list yet further diminishes comings back.

>
> 3.  I really don't see why the list can't have a subscribe-only policy.
It could even respond with subscription instructions for non-subs.  In
all my years of watching this list, I can probably count the number of
instances that someone has asked for responses off-list-only.

Agree.

But after attempting to argue for "subscribers only" policy
(unsuccessfully), I kind of gave up...

Valeri

>
>
>
> $.02
> -M
>
> On 2017-08-02 9:13 AM, Carmel NY wrote:
>> On 2 Aug 2017 14:49:11 -0000, John Levine stated:
>>> If fbsd would configure its lists to accept mail only from
>>> subscribers, most of the spam would go away.
>>> Approximately every other list in the world does that.  I cannot begin
to guess why they imagine that isn't effective.
>> You are wasting your breath, or maybe it is electrons or bandwidth or
whatever. This exact problem has been discussed ad infinitum on this
list. The consensus is that users of this list are either too lazy or
stupid to subscribe to the list. I showed that I could subscribe
(requires email verification) and unsubscribe in less than three
minutes total time. I seriously doubt that anyone would choose to do
that though. Apparently, it is the commonly held belief that somebody,
somehow, somewhere, might want to ask a random question on this list
and we would be infringing on his right to do so by asking him/her to
first register.
>> Strange how it works so well on other forums though. The FreeBSD motto
apparently is, "Tis better to screw over the hundreds than
>> inconvenience the one."
>
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University of Chicago
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