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Date:      Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:45 +0100
From:      Matthias Buelow <mkb@incubus.de>
To:        Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: I need a cuppa...
Message-ID:  <41EAFA51.8090207@incubus.de>
In-Reply-To: <41EAA854.1040500@mac.com>
References:  <20050115210617.A20158@starfire.mn.org> <20050116041626.GB13042@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41E9F612.5030901@taborandtashell.net> <20050115233404.B20530@starfire.mn.org> <20050116060442.GA847@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41EA0B3F.3030209@incubus.de> <41EAA854.1040500@mac.com>

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Chuck Swiger wrote:

>> Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect.
> This is untrue.
> The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple 

When I go to java.sun.com, I can download the jdk for: Linux, Windows, 
Solaris.  That's what I meant.

>> Java is as proprietary as it gets.  (Unfortunately many of us need it.)
> Nonsense.  While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open 
> than anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included.

Proprietary is proprietary.  Java is not standardized, Sun has an iron 
clutch on it (you can't name a reimplementation "Java[tm]"), and, in 
contrast to Sun's marketing spindoctors, it's a rather unportable 
environment (not the least due to Sun's licensing policy).  So what's 
"open" there?  The fact that you may download it without license fees 
for a selected few systems, and that they document their product?

mkb.



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