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Date:      Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:08:52 +0200
From:      Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl>
To:        Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>
Cc:        Kip Macy <kmacy@fsmware.com>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD mail list etiquette
Message-ID:  <20031025200852.GB18072@freebie.xs4all.nl>
In-Reply-To: <20031025194135.GA790@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net>
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 12:41:35PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 11:54:59AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > 
> > Frankly, FreeBSD has too many cooks, and not enough bottle washers;
> > this is a euphimism for saying that all anyone with a commit bit
> > seems to want to do any more is write new code, and no one is
> > willing to take on the integration and maintenance tasks.
> 
> The euphemism sucks, but the point is there. The problem here has
> nothing to do with commit bits. People who do the dirty work and
> do it in a way that demonstrates that they can do it unattended
> are given commit bits. The problem is that after a certain amount
> of dirty work someone either goes away or, if given a commit bit,
> moves on to more interesting things to waste time on.
> 
> There is also a problem in that the dirty work, even if done in a
> way that demonstrates that the person has skills, is not always
> recognised as important. The recognition has to come from within
> that part of the developer community that has commit bits, because
> you need someone with a commit bit to actually commit the stuff. If
> noone with a commit bit recorgnises the dirty work as important,
> it's not going to be committed and the person who has done the dirty
> work is not recognised as someone who is worthy of a commit bit
> because none of his work has been committed.

And to add to the complexity the non-committer providing patches
has a much better chance of obtaining his/her own commit bit if the
patches are committed to the repo.

That is the (in?)famous track-record that has been discussed before
that is one of the gating factors for a commit bit.

Puzzling.. to say the least..

Wilko
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