Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:37:08 -0400 From: Brian T.Schellenberger <bts@babbleon.org> To: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.freebsd.org>, Coleman Kane <cokane@one.net> Cc: Joerg Micheel <joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz>, Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@starjuice.net>, Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>, Michael Smith <msmith@mass.dis.org>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It's not fun anymore. (Mike resigns from core) Message-ID: <20020509023708.00881BB29@i8k.babbleon.org> In-Reply-To: <45185.1020903634@winston.freebsd.org> References: <45185.1020903634@winston.freebsd.org>
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Well, I for one would hope that there would neither be a wholesale turnover,
becuase experience is a valuable teacher; nor ossification, because new blood
brings in fresh energy and ideas.
Having people drop out when it's not fun anymore seems about right, as long
as there is some effort to replace those who drop out with those who will
counterbalance the loss and not pounce on it as a chance to pad out
membership with the qualities already prevelent among those who would be the
"winners" if it were a purge.
Thus, it would be best to replace Mike with somebody as ANTI-process as
possible since an over-reliance on process is what drove him from core; if
somebody resigns due to an overly chaotic environment, then adding somebody
as PRO-process as possible would probably be called for.
Not sure if that makes any sense to anybody else, and naturally I have no
right to talk since I've never contributed much, blah blah blah.
On Wednesday 08 May 2002 08:20 pm, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
| > Anyway, I don't really believe the whole 'FreeBSD is dead' crap that
| > has been circulating, with the quickly growing user base and the
| > increase in developer support this is a setback for the group, but
| > it will live on, at least as long as there is a significant
| > community backing it up. When we all vote for Core this time, it
| > will be for a new set of representatives for the group. Perhaps this
| > time it will bring together new faces and ideas for the future of
| > the project.
|
| I'm quite glad to hear you say that, frankly. I think that if FreeBSD
| is to succeed in the much longer-term, it needs to transcend its "old
| guard" beginnings and transition to being governed by a new and
| entirely more youthful set of folks, it perhaps being a maxim for the
| future that if you've been in core before then you don't qualify, no
| hard feelings or offense meant.
|
| Of course, I also expect the old guard to fight this tooth and nail
| with lots of dire predictions as to what will happen if anyone under
| 30 gets into core or why only a long and hoary track-record truly
| qualifies one for the job. As an old guardsman myself, I say ``bah!''
| to that sort of self-serving "logic" since we've already proven over
| the last two rounds that experienced people are more than capable of
| making mistakes or being blind to all the relevant signs and portents
| when things are going off the rails. Even if it came with a penalty
| of inexperience and beginner's mistakes, I wouldn't mind the fresh
| energy and enthusiasm that a totally new slate would bring. It's not
| like those of us in 1992 were entirely blessed with loads of
| experience at doing this when we started and look what we managed to
| create.
|
| - Jordan
|
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