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Date:      Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:34:11 -0500
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        dan@langille.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Stallman now claims authorship of Linux
Message-ID:  <15071.58995.502328.328701@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <200104192252.PAA22484@usr01.primenet.com>
References:  <15071.19051.343972.458299@guru.mired.org> <200104192252.PAA22484@usr01.primenet.com>

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Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> types:
> > > > > Not true. Commercial software does not destroy markets or reduce
> > > > > programmers to the status of wage slave.
> > > > Try contracting for MicroSoft.
> > > I'm a programmer.  I get paid for my work.  And by no means can it be 
> > > considered a slave wage.
> > I'd say the same thing myself. And, contrary to the nonsense that
> > Brett was spouting, it doesn't matter whether I'm working on GPL'ed
> > softare or not.
> Let's cut the BS: I want to be able to build a piece of software,
> and sell the rights to use it, for as long as the market will pay
> for those rights.
[...]
> I want to be paid the fair market value of my labor.

The value of the results of your labor and the value of your labor two
different things. They are connected, as whoever pays for your labor
needs to recoup that cost from the results. As we just finished
discussing, there are a number of models to do that that don't require
sale of the software. We haven't even exhausted the list yet.

> > > > You build capital as a programmer under conditions D, E and F the
> > > > exact same way you do in all those other fields, working under those
> > > > conditions.
> > > Can I pay my mortgage with that capital?
> > Since people working in other fields seem to manage it, you ought to
> > be able to.
> As long as there's not some moron in that field trying to socialize
> the results of my labor, I probably could.

Unions have been socializing the market value of labor for as long as
they've been around. That hasn't stopped people from paying the
mortgage with their savings.

	<mike
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