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hackers-digest Wednesday, 20 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 1662
In this issue:
Help identifying a compressed file
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
RELENG_2_2 and cvs sticky tags
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: Ipx to ip routing
wcarchive is DOWN. URGENT
Re: RELENG_2_2 and cvs sticky tags
socket.h
WP 7.0 message :-)
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: wcarchive is DOWN. URGENT
Re: Help: ucd-snmpd w/freebsd
Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
Re: Disk Striping
WordPerfect 7.0? - use LyX instead
Re: wcarchive is DOWN. URGENT
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From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.tfs.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:16:42 +0100
Subject: Help identifying a compressed file
Can anybody recognize this fileformat ?
It's some kind of MS/DOS compressed file, but I don't know what program
were used to compress it :-(
00000000 53 5a 44 44 88 f0 27 33 41 00 88 1c 03 00 ff 3f |SZDD..'3A......?|
00000010 5f 03 00 c3 35 00 00 7d ff f8 f0 88 1c 03 00 b3 |_...5..}........|
00000020 f5 f0 fd aa f5 f0 00 9c 06 00 01 bc ff 41 00 00 |.............A..|
- --
Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team.
http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox.
whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc.
Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so.
------------------------------
From: Andrew Webster <andrew@fortress.org>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:42:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Brandon Gillespie wrote:
> > Wow...I'd like it, but $500 is sorta rich for my blood right now? How
> > much for the student version? :-)
>
> I agree--I would love to have it--but 'vi' does just fine when price
> compared to $500.
>
> -Brandon Gillespie
How about a 'Not for Resale' version. You can purchase NFR WP for
Windoze at a substantially reduced price if you are a VAR.
Regards,
Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net
PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde
P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3
tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443
------------------------------
From: Michael Hancock <michaelh@cet.co.jp>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:48:37 +0900 (JST)
Subject: RELENG_2_2 and cvs sticky tags
ARGH!
My cvs update brought my source up to current. I thought sticky tags
meant cvs update would do the right thing.
$ cvs status ftpio.h
===================================================================
File: ftpio.h Status: Up-to-date
Working revision: 1.10 Wed Nov 20 17:45:45 1996
Repository revision: 1.10 /jaz/cvs/src/lib/libftpio/ftpio.h,v
Sticky Tag: (none)
Sticky Date: (none)
Sticky Options: (none)
$ cvs log ftpio.h
RCS file: /jaz/cvs/src/lib/libftpio/ftpio.h,v
Working file: ftpio.h
head: 1.10
branch:
locks: strict
access list:
symbolic names:
RELENG_2_1_6_RELEASE: 1.2.2.3
RELENG_2_2: 1.8.0.2
RELENG_2_2_BP: 1.8
------------------------------
From: Gary Kline <kline@tera.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:02:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
According to Marc G. Fournier:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote:
>
> > Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
> > so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
> >
>
> I *really* hate to put a wrench in the works...but *please* do not
> send a message to Coral if its only to bolster the numbers. I would
> really hate for everyone to send in a mail message, get them to release
> it for FreeBSD, and find 10% actually buy a copy...it would really really
> set a bad precedent(sp?), which could hurt us long term... :(
>
>
Indeed. I hope that WP 7.0 is the first of many prev'ly
DOS-only or Mac-only ports. The one tool that I would
buy is that checkbook/banking program.
The way to initiate these ports to FreeBSD is to be
willing to buy them.
gary kline
------------------------------
From: "David Langford" <langfod@dihelix.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:05:31 -1000 (HST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Brandon Gillespie
>> Wow...I'd like it, but $500 is sorta rich for my blood right now? How
>> much for the student version? :-)
>
>I agree--I would love to have it--but 'vi' does just fine when price
>compared to $500.
>
>-Brandon Gillespie
The Linux version of WP6 is available from Caldera for $295.
(Works well under FreeBSD - though I HATE using Linux software)
Why is there a $200 price difference for the single version change?
- -David Langford
langfod@dihelix.com
------------------------------
From: Tim Pierce <twpierce@bio-3.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:17:32 +0600
Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
> From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:26:32 -0700 (MST)
>
> Has PERL syntax reached the top end of the inverse expotential curve
> yet? If the last major rev is any indicator, the answer is "no". 8-(.
>
> When it starts to stagnate, then it will be safe. 8-).
Again, the last major release of Perl was over two years ago, and
since then the syntax has changed minimally (if at all, which I
doubt). In fact, the reason given then for the watershed changes
in Perl 5.000 was to attempt to "freeze" the basic Perl code base,
and encourage extending the language through modules rather than
kludging the interpreter.
Perl has stagnated more in the last two years than FreeBSD has.
------------------------------
From: Andrew Stesin <stesin@gu.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:19:47 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Hello people,
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Jamie Bowden wrote:
>
> WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't
> rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would.
Gmm.
Let's everyone really write the message to Corel, but
inserting your own actual idea of how much should it cost
for you just go and buy it. Why should you lie, what for?
Proposed template:
To: wp@ec.camitel.com
Subject: WP 7.0 For freeBSD
Hello,
I'll happily buy WP 7.0 for FreeBSD! _but_ at $67.95, not 495$;
and if the price will be $49.95, I will shout at each street
corner about such a great offer from Corel to us, free-UNIX
users. (Please remember -- free-UNIX users aren't corporations!)
Thanks!
Name: Joe hacker
tel: 2223322
Fax: 3332233
Adress: ...
ZIP: ...
Substitute your idea of reasonable price for WP 7.0 in the template
above. :-) I'm not in US, so my idea of reasonability might differ
from yours. BTW -- what will be WP 7.0 price for their winglows97
version? That might give us yet another approximation of
price reasonability.
- --
Best,
Andrew Stesin
nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE
------------------------------
From: Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:49:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Joe Greco writes:
> > > Ethernet switches are not supposed to do anything other than MAC level
> > > address routing.
> > >
> > > Switches by definition will certainly allow IP address collisions because
> > > they do not have a clue what the hell an IP address is.
> > >
> > > The other disadvantage of switches is the potentially large amount of
> > > ARP'ing that can go on to locate hosts in such a network.
> >
> > I guess you're not aware of some of the stuff Synoptics/Bay makes. Check it
> > out sometime - it may come in handy some day.
>
> What I'm aware of and what a switch - by definition - is, are two
> potentially different things.
>
> Anything that performs switching at a non-MAC layer is not an Ethernet
> switch, it is something else.
>
> "Learn the correct terminology - it may come in handy some day."
>
> ... JG
Thats right.
What has been described sounds like a bridge, not a switch. I guess you
just have a big multi-port bridge. Probably supports 802.1D for
interlinking bridges.
Bridges learn IP addresses of systems connected to each segement, and
uses this information to direct traffic.
Tom
------------------------------
From: Eric Tremblay <eric@cdrom.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 15:52:47 -0800
Subject: wcarchive is DOWN. URGENT
CRL called, wcarchive is down. The guy name at CRL is Arron 415-837-5300.
Eric "E.T." Tremblay
Walnut Creek CDROM
eric@cdrom.com
------------------------------
From: Michael Hancock <michaelh@cet.co.jp>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:40:30 +0900 (JST)
Subject: Re: RELENG_2_2 and cvs sticky tags
Blush. Operator error. My .cvsrc file looks like this:
update -d -P -A # -A forgets tags
diff -u
sigh.
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Michael Hancock wrote:
> ARGH!
>
> My cvs update brought my source up to current. I thought sticky tags
> meant cvs update would do the right thing.
>
> $ cvs status ftpio.h
> ===================================================================
> File: ftpio.h Status: Up-to-date
>
> Working revision: 1.10 Wed Nov 20 17:45:45 1996
> Repository revision: 1.10 /jaz/cvs/src/lib/libftpio/ftpio.h,v
> Sticky Tag: (none)
> Sticky Date: (none)
> Sticky Options: (none)
>
>
> $ cvs log ftpio.h
>
> RCS file: /jaz/cvs/src/lib/libftpio/ftpio.h,v
> Working file: ftpio.h
> head: 1.10
> branch:
> locks: strict
> access list:
> symbolic names:
> RELENG_2_1_6_RELEASE: 1.2.2.3
> RELENG_2_2: 1.8.0.2
> RELENG_2_2_BP: 1.8
>
>
------------------------------
From: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:26:01 -0200
Subject: socket.h
Hi:
Sorry posting here. I'm not member of the developers group but I have
a question that maybe someone from this list can help me !
The problem is that I'm tring to port an irc gateway to WWW, written by
Zhong Yang
in C. I'm stuck in the following:
this is from /include/sys/socket.h
struct sockaddr {
u_char sa_len; /* total length */
u_char sa_family; /* address family */
char sa_data[14]; /* actually longer; address value */
this is from /include/netinet/in.h
struct sockaddr_in {
u_char sin_len;
u_char sin_family;
u_short sin_port;
struct in_addr sin_addr;
char sin_zero[8];
And here, the problem. That's actually part of the code of the gateway:
struct sockaddr_in SocketInetAddr;
^^^^^^^^^^^
SocketInetAddr.sin_port = htons(Port);
SocketDescriptor = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 6);
if (SocketDescriptor < 0)
{
perror("socket");
return (-1);
}
if (connect(SocketDescriptor, ( char *) &SocketInetAddr,
sizeof(SocketInetAddr)) < 0)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
RETURN_SUCCESS=1;
else
RETURN_SUCCESS=0;
The above call to CONNECT reports an error because the connect function
expects, in the second field,
the use of sockaddr. But in the program, the call is for sockaddr_in. I
don't know if in AIX or hpux
this structures are the same, but I know that it works there ! Anyone has an
idea how can I change this
piece of code to put it to work in FreeBSD ?
Thanks a lot! Sorry for the off_topic question!
Regards,
Helio.
------------------------------
From: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:31:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: WP 7.0 message :-)
Hi evrybody...
I just want to say:
- -Thank's to pay attention to not replay to every group that I have put in the CC
: !!!
I have not think about band width !!! :-(
- -I am not an international resseler of WP,
I am just a guy that want to have WP on FreeBSD
and try to force Corel to build a native version of WP 7.0 for FreeBSD.
I just take a list of name who represent the more precilely that I can the
population that want to pay for that....
- -Many person send an e-mail on wp@ec.camitel.com,... many say
"I place order but it's expensive :-( ..." I will give
all coments to Corel. Maybe they will drop the price ??? I dont know!
- -The WP 6.2 that presently work on Linux and FreeBSD is
ibcs2 binary...for SCO. Including the kit from Caldera...
- -For the price, I don't now why it's 200$ of more than the regular price.
That price is the price that Corel's guy have give to me...
Maybe it's not the good price, but it's what I have receive from Corel's guy.
If you want, send email to sales@corel.com
- -For see what is WP 6.2 for SCO see:
http://www.corel.com/products/unix/wpunix/index.htm
- -For student version, I dont know about it... But usualy it's avalable
for half the price.
On 20-Nov-96 "David Langford" wrote:
>>Brandon Gillespie
>>> Wow...I'd like it, but $500 is sorta rich for my blood right now? How
>>> much for the student version? :-)
>>
>>I agree--I would love to have it--but 'vi' does just fine when price
>>compared to $500.
>>
>>-Brandon Gillespie
>
>The Linux version of WP6 is available from Caldera for $295.
>(Works well under FreeBSD - though I HATE using Linux software)
>
>Why is there a $200 price difference for the single version change?
>
>-David Langford
> langfod@dihelix.com
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From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:42:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
> The Linux version of WP6 is available from Caldera for $295.
> (Works well under FreeBSD - though I HATE using Linux software)
>
> Why is there a $200 price difference for the single version change?
The ironic among us would say:
Linux + WP + $200 == FreeBSD + WP
8-P.
But that would, of course, be flame-bait to get the Linux advocacy
at Corel to advocate a similar pricing for the FreeBSD release so
Linux doesn't look (comparatively) $200 less desirable than FreeBSD...
8-) 8-).
Terry Lambert
terry@lambert.org
- ---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.
------------------------------
From: Ulf Zimmermann <ulf@Lamb.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:30:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: wcarchive is DOWN. URGENT
>
> CRL called, wcarchive is down. The guy name at CRL is Arron 415-837-5300.
>
> Eric "E.T." Tremblay
> Walnut Creek CDROM
> eric@cdrom.com
>
Is anyone doing something about it ? Is man power missing ? I am right now
still in Mountain View, if I can help.
415-933-1012 (pager 415-317-2420)
Ulf.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936
Lamb Art Internet Services | http://www.Lamb.net/ | http://www.Alameda.net
------------------------------
From: michael butler <imb@scgt.oz.au>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:33:26 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Help: ucd-snmpd w/freebsd
Peter Wemm writes:
> I ran into this when setting up mrtg, and disabled the "optimisation" in
> the snmpd code. I was unsure whether to commit the patch to the ports
> collection, it makes very little difference in cpu resource consumption
> but certainly makes a lot of strange side effects disappear.
While you're at it .. if this hasn't already been addressed, could you
please fix snmpnetstat to correct the byte-order of port numbers ..
*** inet.c Sat Sep 30 06:43:19 1995
- --- /root/inet.c Fri Aug 2 16:15:33 1996
***************
*** 509,519 ****
cp = (char *) index(line, '\0');
#endif
if (!nflag && port)
! sp = getservbyport((int)port, proto);
if (sp || port == 0)
sprintf(cp, "%.8s", sp ? sp->s_name : "*");
else
! sprintf(cp, "%d", ntohs((u_short)port));
width = 22;
printf(" %-*.*s", width, width, line);
}
- --- 509,519 ----
cp = (char *) index(line, '\0');
#endif
if (!nflag && port)
! sp = getservbyport(ntohs(port), proto);
if (sp || port == 0)
sprintf(cp, "%.8s", sp ? sp->s_name : "*");
else
! sprintf(cp, "%d", (u_short)port);
width = 22;
printf(" %-*.*s", width, width, line);
}
------------------------------
From: Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:14:52 +1030 (CST)
Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
David Nugent stands accused of saying:
>
> Yes, I use it quite a bit, but in a base distribution I don't really
> see it as an appropriate tool. It is certainly easier that programming
> in, say, bourne shell, and probably significantly faster too. But I
> still think it is a mistake it being part of the base system.
I think that there's a very important line to be drawn between "I
don't think I need it in the system" and "It should not be in the
system".
The former is fine, and probably applies to a lot of people. Then
again, it can also be applied to 90% of the system for 90% of users -
the point being that when you aggregate everything that people
want/need, you cover prettymuch everything.
My point is that there are a sufficient number of people that consider
Perl a 'should-have' to justify its inclusion on those grounds.
The latter point bears discussion; someone putting this point needs to
offer a counter to the benefits promised by the former. So far, most
of the arguments have been "because I don't think it should be" (which
counts for very little), or "because Perl keeps changing" (which has
been comprehensively refuted by Perl users I am inclined to trust).
Other arguments that have been offered for the latter in previous
discussions; "Perl is too big" (size is relative, disk is cheap),
"Perl would be too hard to track" (contrib scheme should fix this).
I'm still open to argument on this; I just haven't heard a counter
that holds up under scrutiny.
> David Nugent, Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia
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From: michael butler <imb@scgt.oz.au>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:51:56 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Disk Striping
Darrin R. Woods writes:
> I just got my news server up and running INN (thanks to everyone that
> helped), but now I'm looking for a better way of dealing with it. I've got
> 3 Fast/Wide 4gb disks to hold news. It would be a lot easier (and better
> performance) if I could stripe (or span) the /var partition accross the 3
> disks instead of having to guess as to how to partition each drive and into
> what sizes.
With "only" three drives, you don't want to stripe across them.
There are four activities which consume disk resources:
i) maintenance of the active and history files
ii) maintenance of the overview hierarchy
iii) writing out the articles themselves
iv) scribbling to /var/log/news
Whilst the latter is comparatively "cheap" as it simply extends an existing
file (writes deferred by caching), the first three are best spread across
separate spindles for the best resultant performance. Striping or
concatenation will hurt more than help,
michael
------------------------------
From: Julian Assange <proff@suburbia.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:59:32 +1100 (EST)
Subject: WordPerfect 7.0? - use LyX instead
> > Wow...I'd like it, but $500 is sorta rich for my blood right now? How
> > much for the student version? :-)
>
> I agree--I would love to have it--but 'vi' does just fine when price
> compared to $500.
>
> -Brandon Gillespie
Bah. Use LyX (very nice almost wysiwyg X11 front end to LaTeX).
ftp://ftp.via.ecp.fr/pub/LyX/*
- --
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may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons
than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may
sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who
torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with
the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_
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------------------------------
From: "John S. Dyson" <toor@dyson.iquest.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:06:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: wcarchive is DOWN. URGENT
> >
> > CRL called, wcarchive is down. The guy name at CRL is Arron 415-837-5300.
> >
> > Eric "E.T." Tremblay
> > Walnut Creek CDROM
> > eric@cdrom.com
> >
>
> Is anyone doing something about it ? Is man power missing ? I am right now
> still in Mountain View, if I can help.
>
We are working the wcarchive problem NOW, and it should be up in about 1/2
hour (it is currently 11:04 EST.)
John
dyson@freebsd.org
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