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Date:      Fri, 06 Jan 1995 19:00:04 -0800
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
To:        cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information 
Message-ID:  <13554.789447604@time.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jan 95 18:50:28 %2B0100." <199501061750.SAA00134@uhura> 

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> 1. We have to make configuring as easy as possible for those users, who
>    never want to look 'behind the scenes'. There should be a way to install
>    and configure FreeBSD for *non-experts*!

Well, I think we all agree to this, what we really need to agree on is
the *framework*.  How does this all-singing and all-dancing
configuration environment work?  Scripts?  Some sort of TCL based
tool?  What?  We've had a few abortive attempts at this in the past,
but nothing that anybody could ever really use to build a complete
configuration management system!

> 2. It's a matter of fact, that all popular OS use GUIs (OS/2, Windows,
>    Apple, NextStep, ...). So why don't we use X right after the installation
>    to communicate with the user (yes, I know X needs lot of space, but
>    if we shrink X to a minimum it's perhaps possible?). So install a minimum
>    OS on the HD, copy a small X version to the disk, and start the X server.

The problem is not one of space - the problem is getting X up and
working on a user's system!  This still remains one of the hardest
parts of a general FreeBSD install, and until the XFRee86 Project, Inc
comes up with something more _seamless_, it's rather difficult to
count on having X available on any users system! :-(

>    I also think, that - in future - only a couple of users will install
>    an OS from disks. The installation medium will be the CD-ROM.

That'd be nice.. :-)

> 3. All configuration (administration) tools should look and work the same
>    way. I myself hate to have 10 tools and 10 different ways to install these
>    things (eg. some use a DOS program, some need MS Windows; or: look at
>    named, inetd, nfs or even passwd, where I can configure every tool when
>    I understand and know the correct syntax of its ascii-file: it's impossibl

Framework!  Framework!  Somebody needs to write this kind of
framework! :-)

					Jordan






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