Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org> To: Didier Derny <didier@omnix.net> Cc: Sam Leffler <sam@errno.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD dead ? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003110652100.33669-100000@InterJet.elischer.org> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.1000311122102.8525C-100000@omnix.net>
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The big thing that you are missing from this equation is the people. Kirk and Mike, who I know, are more dedicated to seeing BSD as a whole succeed, than most people, so I think that you have to factor that in. I think they see that they are spending too much of their time trying to play catch-up on the issues of kernel development etc and being distracted by what what we as FreeBSD are happy to do for free, and they would rather spend that effort on pushing BSD forward in the maketplace. I am sure that 'conspiracy theorists' are having a field day but the grassy knoll doesn't come into this one. Julian On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Didier Derny wrote: > it was this announcement, but it's only words, the reallity can be > very different... > > the equations are quite simple > > step 1 > ------ > bsd/os = $$ for bsdi > freebsd = lack of bsd/os sold by bsdi --> lack of $$ for bsdi > > step 2 > ------ > merge + give code to freebsd --> lack of $$ but future investment > bsdi unhappy to have given code but thinking to the future > freebsd users happy of the new features > > ... a few months ... > > freebsd users 'addicted' by the new features > > ... a few other months ... > > bsdi is doing everything to slow down the development of freebsd... > > ... a few other months ... > > step 3 > ------ > freebsd is late behind bsd/os > some freebsd users have started to pay for bsd/os [too many drivers / > features are missing in freebsd and bsd/os is the nearest compatible > system so it's easyier to move from freebsd to bsd/os rather than to > linux] > > ... 1 .. 2 .. 3 years ... > > step 4 > ------ > freebsd is dead > freebsd users are now running bsd/os (big bucks for BSD/OS) > finally it was a good operation for BSDI > > I've already seen this mechanism several times in the past > > sorry, that's how I see the things, even if I hope that I'm wrong > that's also how some of my clients / friends see the things > > -- > Didier Derny > didier@omnix.net > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Sam Leffler wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Didier Derny" <didier@omnix.net> > > To: <hackers@FreeBSD.ORG> > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 3:02 AM > > Subject: Is FreeBSD dead ? > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've just read the announcement of the merge of BSDI and Walnut Creek > > > CDROM. (March 10 2000). > > > > > > I guess it's a sad day for FreeBSD. I can't imagine how a company selling > > > it's own BSD could at the same time let another BSD free. > > > > > > Has the FreeBSD project become the test-bed for BSDI ? or > > > the single user evaluation of BSDI... > > > > > > > Not sure what announcement you read (no URL provided), but if you look at > > http://www.bsdi.com/press/20000310.mhtml you'll see the following: > > > > "BSDI will continue to develop, enhance and distribute BSD/OS and FreeBSD > > according to the terms of the business-friendly, unencumbered Berkeley > > software license, which encourages development for open source software > > projects, embedded systems, specialized applications, information appliances > > and other operating system-enabled products. > > BSDI will expand and accelerate Walnut Creek CDROM's FreeBSD open source > > initiatives by sharing BSD/OS technical innovations with the FreeBSD Project > > and by providing this open source project with operational and technical > > support, marketing and funding. BSDI will continue to distribute packaged > > versions of FreeBSD and also plans to develop value-added products based on > > FreeBSD as well as to provide technical support, consulting services, > > educational services and training for FreeBSD customers. These steps are > > expected to promote and invigorate the BSD open source computing movement. > > The FreeBSD Project develops the popular FreeBSD operating system and > > aggregates and integrates contributed software from more than 5,000 > > developers worldwide." > > > > which clearly states that FreeBSD will benefit greatly from this action. > > > > FWIW I'm the person that was responsible for 4.2BSD (and lots of the code > > you still find in FreeBSD) and based on my information you've got things > > very wrong. > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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