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hackers-digest Wednesday, 20 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 1661
In this issue:
WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: Turbo FreeBSD CD
Re: arpresolve errors
Re: Disk Striping
Preserving local changes with cvsup
Re: Help: ucd-snmpd w/freebsd
Re: Integrating sendmail 8.8.3 into a 2.1.6 tree
[sci.math.num-analysis,comp.os.msdos.djgpp] Pentium Optimized BLAS (fwd)
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: Help: ucd-snmpd w/freebsd
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Re: Ipx to ip routing
Re: Ipx to ip routing
Re: arpresolve errors
Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
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From: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:24:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
and all the stuf for build graphique...
The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
#######################################################
# Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
# wp@ec.camitel.com #
# Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
# Name: #
# #tel: #
# #Fax: #
# Adress: #
# ZIP: #
#######################################################
If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
It depend how many personne want it...
- ----------------------------------
E-Mail: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
Date: 11/20/96
Heure: 13:24:21
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From: Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:22:36 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Turbo FreeBSD CD
As Chris Timmons wrote...
>
> Well the great thing about FreeBSD is that it's FREE... so anybody can put
> it on a CD and sell it.
>
> My preference has always been to buy from Walnut Creek CDROM because they
> support the project. I personally subscribe to both the -RELEASE and
Exactly my point: looks a bit like 'easy money' for PHT to me. Maybe
time to stamp 'the only original FreeBSD cdrom' on WC's one?
> -SNAP cd distributions and have had excellent experience dealing with the
> Walnut Creek people on the phone. Since we rely heavily on FreeBSD at
> work, I spec Walnut Creek as the CD-ROM of choice there as well. Thanks
> WC!!!
>
> -Chris
Wilko
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From: Bill Fenner <fenner@parc.xerox.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:22:52 PST
Subject: Re: arpresolve errors
In message <Pine.BSF.3.91.961120193100.8206M-100000@panda.hilink.com.au> you wr
ite:
>> What's the routing table look like for 203.x.y.49?
>
>203.x.y.48/28 203.x.y.49 UGc
>203.x.y.49 203.x.y.34 UH
>203.s.t 203.x.y.49 UGc
You cut out the most important part. What's the interface for the host
route? A ppp interface or an ethernet? Whose IP address is 203.x.y.34?
>Yes, there are host routes, but they seem to make
>sense (e.g. the one listed above) for the point to point links.
I can't tell since I don't know who 203.x.y.34 is.
Bill
------------------------------
From: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@ki.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:48:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Disk Striping
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Darrin R. Woods wrote:
> I just got my news server up and running INN (thanks to everyone that
> helped), but now I'm looking for a better way of dealing with it. I've got
> 3 Fast/Wide 4gb disks to hold news. It would be a lot easier (and better
> performance) if I could stripe (or span) the /var partition accross the 3
> disks instead of having to guess as to how to partition each drive and into
> what sizes.
>
> The question: Is there a way to stripe a partition across multiple drives
> in FreeBSD? If not, does anyone know of a FreeBSD like OS that will do it?
> Preferably NOT Linux.
>
man 'ccd' and 'ccdconfig'...I've used it here, but due to some
configuration changes (moved some drives over to an AHA controller), it
no longer seems to work...I think its because of the adaptec 1542CF controller
though, as I've been using it for the past 3+ months or so with little to
no problems on an NCR controller...
Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net
Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org
------------------------------
From: Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:13:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Preserving local changes with cvsup
I used to use "sup -k" to preserve a few local changes I made. What is
a safe way to acomplish this with cvsup?
Tom
------------------------------
From: peter@spinner.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm)
Date: 20 Nov 1996 20:04:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Help: ucd-snmpd w/freebsd
In article <Mutt.19961118180324.jc@irbs.com>,
jc@irbs.com (John Capo) writes:
> Quoting Ade Barkah (mbarkah@hemi.com):
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm getting rather frustrated trying to get an snmpd running for
>> FreeBSD 2.1 machines. Please help! =-) Problem: the interface counters
>> never seem to get updated once snmpd is running.
>>
>> Example. (on a pretty busy system network-wise):
>>
>> $ snmpget -v 1 localhost public interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifInOctets.1
>> interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifInOctets.1 = 558046531
>>
>> (five minutes later)
>>
>> $ snmpget -v 1 localhost public interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifInOctets.1
>> interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifInOctets.1 = 558046531
>>
>
> The result of the last request is cached by snmpd. I haven't looked
> at the code to see if this is a feature or not. Query another
> variable then query ifInOctets.1 again and you should see that it
> has changed.
>
> John Capo
I ran into this when setting up mrtg, and disabled the "optimisation" in
the snmpd code. I was unsure whether to commit the patch to the ports
collection, it makes very little difference in cpu resource consumption
but certainly makes a lot of strange side effects disappear.
- -Peter
------------------------------
From: peter@spinner.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm)
Date: 20 Nov 1996 20:08:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Integrating sendmail 8.8.3 into a 2.1.6 tree
In article <Pine.NEB.3.94.961120094958.1730A-100000@misery.sdf.com>,
tom@sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) writes:
>
> I've been trying to integrate sendmail 8.8.3 (taken from current) into a
> 2.1.6 tree. This looked very straightforward because the Makefiles and
> directory structure was nearly identical. However, when trying a "make
> all", make stops with a "don't know how to make
> /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/src/sysexits.h". I find this strange.
> sysexits.h isn't included with sendmail, and isn't mentioned in the
> Makefile, so why does make think it needs to be built?
>
> Tom
Most likely you have a stray .depend file somewhere..
Try doing a 'make cleandir obj depend' first before the build in the
sendmail directory.
- -Peter
------------------------------
From: Pedro A M Vazquez <vazquez@IQM.Unicamp.BR>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:28:54 +0000 ()
Subject: [sci.math.num-analysis,comp.os.msdos.djgpp] Pentium Optimized BLAS (fwd)
Dave Love said:
> From burley@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed Nov 20 16:58:35 1996
> Sender: fx@dl.ac.uk
> To: g77-alpha@gnu.ai.mit.edu
> Subject: [sci.math.num-analysis,comp.os.msdos.djgpp] Pentium Optimized BLAS
> Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, Warrington WA4 4AD, UK
> From: Dave Love <d.love@dl.ac.uk>
> Date: 20 Nov 1996 18:48:54 +0000
> Message-ID: <rzqhgmkfvqh.fsf@djlvig.dl.ac.uk>
> Lines: 35
> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.40/Emacs 19.34
>
> There have been mutterings about this sort of thing here, I think, so
> I'm copying it in case anyone's interested and hasn't seen it. I
> haven't looked in detail, but he criticises G77's code generation.
>
> ------- Start of forwarded message -------
> From: mlkessle@cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Manuel Kessler)
> Newsgroups: sci.math.num-analysis,comp.os.msdos.djgpp
> Subject: Pentium Optimized BLAS
> Date: 13 Nov 1996 16:10:20 GMT
> Organization: CipPool der Physikalischen Institute, Uni Wuerzburg
> Message-ID: <56crtc$re4@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
>
> Hi to all number crunchers,
> I'm glad to announce the first test release of my pentium optimized
> BLAS level 1 library. The most important functions of the BLAS level 1
> (xAXPY, xCOPY, xDOT, xNRM2, in both single and double precision)
> have been completely rewritten in GNU assembler for achieving full
> performance on intel pentium processors. The library is available in
> both binary and source form for DOS/DJGPP and UNIX/LINUX at
>
> http://cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~mlkessle/blas1.html
>
> See there for further informations. Suggestions, bug reports,
> comments etc. are very welcome, email adress see below.
>
> Thanks,
> Manuel
>
> --
> Manuel Kessler
> Graduate Student at the University of Wuerzburg, Germany, Physics Department
> SNAIL: Zeppelinstrasse 5, D-97074 Wuerzburg, Germany
> EMAIL: mlkessle@cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de
> WWW: http://cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~mlkessle
> ------- End of forwarded message -------
>
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From: Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:36:37 -0800
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
Regards,
Amancio
>From The Desk Of Christian Fortin :
> That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
> Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
> Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
>
> But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
>
> WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
> of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
>
> It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
> and all the stuf for build graphique...
> The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
>
> A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
>
>
>
> #######################################################
> # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
> # wp@ec.camitel.com #
> # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
> # Name: #
> # #tel: #
> # #Fax: #
> # Adress: #
> # ZIP: #
> #######################################################
>
> If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
> a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
> It depend how many personne want it...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> E-Mail: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
> Date: 11/20/96
> Heure: 13:24:21
> ##################################################--------+
> Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 |
> 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 |
> Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec |
> Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com |
> G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J
> --------------------------L---WM-----<
> \----1
> ---
> -
------------------------------
From: John Hay <jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:52:26 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: Help: ucd-snmpd w/freebsd
> >
> > The result of the last request is cached by snmpd. I haven't looked
> > at the code to see if this is a feature or not. Query another
> > variable then query ifInOctets.1 again and you should see that it
> > has changed.
> >
> > John Capo
>
> I ran into this when setting up mrtg, and disabled the "optimisation" in
> the snmpd code. I was unsure whether to commit the patch to the ports
> collection, it makes very little difference in cpu resource consumption
> but certainly makes a lot of strange side effects disappear.
>
> -Peter
>
Yes, please put it in. At first my work-around was to configure mrtg to
monitor two interfaces om the machine, until I could figure out where in
the code the problem was.
John
- --
John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za
------------------------------
From: "Brian N. Handy" <handy@sag.space.lockheed.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:22:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote:
>Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
>so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
Wow...I'd like it, but $500 is sorta rich for my blood right now? How
much for the student version? :-)
Sigh.
Brian
------------------------------
From: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@ki.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:33:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote:
> Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
> so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
>
I *really* hate to put a wrench in the works...but *please* do not
send a message to Coral if its only to bolster the numbers. I would
really hate for everyone to send in a mail message, get them to release
it for FreeBSD, and find 10% actually buy a copy...it would really really
set a bad precedent(sp?), which could hurt us long term... :(
> Regards,
> Amancio
>
> >From The Desk Of Christian Fortin :
> > That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
> > Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
> > Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
> >
> > But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
> >
> > WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
> > of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
> >
> > It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
> > and all the stuf for build graphique...
> > The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
> >
> > A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
> >
> >
> >
> > #######################################################
> > # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
> > # wp@ec.camitel.com #
> > # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
> > # Name: #
> > # #tel: #
> > # #Fax: #
> > # Adress: #
> > # ZIP: #
> > #######################################################
> >
> > If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
> > a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
> > It depend how many personne want it...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
> > Date: 11/20/96
> > Heure: 13:24:21
> > ##################################################--------+
> > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 |
> > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 |
> > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec |
> > Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com |
> > G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J
> > --------------------------L---WM-----<
> > \----1
> > ---
> > -
>
>
Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net
Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org
------------------------------
From: Brandon Gillespie <brandon@glacier.cold.org>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:46:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
> Wow...I'd like it, but $500 is sorta rich for my blood right now? How
> much for the student version? :-)
I agree--I would love to have it--but 'vi' does just fine when price
compared to $500.
- -Brandon Gillespie
------------------------------
From: exidor@superior.net (Christopher Masto)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:55:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing
Joe Greco writes:
> Ethernet switches are not supposed to do anything other than MAC level
> address routing.
>
> Switches by definition will certainly allow IP address collisions because
> they do not have a clue what the hell an IP address is.
>
> The other disadvantage of switches is the potentially large amount of
> ARP'ing that can go on to locate hosts in such a network.
I guess you're not aware of some of the stuff Synoptics/Bay makes. Check it
out sometime - it may come in handy some day.
- --
Christopher Masto . . . . Superior Net Support: support@superior.net
chris@masto.com . . . . . Masto Consulting: info@masto.com
On Flight Attendants, International:
The stewardesses of Southwest Airlines must go through four steps, such as
hardship, tiredment, dirt feeling. Beside the quality of general
stewardess.
- from the first edition of Chinese airline Southwest Civil Aviation's
- Inflight Magazine.
------------------------------
From: Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:58:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing
> Joe Greco writes:
> > Ethernet switches are not supposed to do anything other than MAC level
> > address routing.
> >
> > Switches by definition will certainly allow IP address collisions because
> > they do not have a clue what the hell an IP address is.
> >
> > The other disadvantage of switches is the potentially large amount of
> > ARP'ing that can go on to locate hosts in such a network.
>
> I guess you're not aware of some of the stuff Synoptics/Bay makes. Check it
> out sometime - it may come in handy some day.
What I'm aware of and what a switch - by definition - is, are two
potentially different things.
Anything that performs switching at a non-MAC layer is not an Ethernet
switch, it is something else.
"Learn the correct terminology - it may come in handy some day."
... JG
------------------------------
From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" <danny@panda.hilink.com.au>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:04:12 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: arpresolve errors
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Bill Fenner wrote:
> In a message you write:
> >> What's the routing table look like for 203.x.y.49?
> >
> >203.x.y.48/28 203.x.y.49 UGc
> >203.x.y.49 203.x.y.34 UH
> >203.s.t 203.x.y.49 UGc
>
> You cut out the most important part. What's the interface for the host
> route? A ppp interface or an ethernet? Whose IP address is 203.x.y.34?
>
> >Yes, there are host routes, but they seem to make
> >sense (e.g. the one listed above) for the point to point links.
>
> I can't tell since I don't know who 203.x.y.34 is.
Woops. Sorry, I meant to say that 34 is the local address of
the slip interface.
203.x.y.48/28 203.x.y.49 UGc sl1
203.x.y.49 203.x.y.34 UH sl1
203.s.t 203.x.y.49 UGc sl1
The problem is not occurring right at the moment, so I can't see if it
varies the routing table. I'll put a watcher program on
/var/log/messages to do a netstat -rn when it sees the arpresolve messages.
Ethernet IP address is 203.29.224.17. Most ppp and slip interfaces use
203.2.144.1 as the local IP address, including other CSLIP interfaces
which have been breaking. I have some 'numbered interface' links and
some 'unnumbered interface links'.
A few logic data points for you:
Type Problem observed
CSLIP links yes
cslip -> remote net yes
cslip -> w/o remote net no
cslip -> rem net, numbered yes
cslip -> rem net, unnumbered yes
ppp links no
ppp -> remote net no
ppp -> w/o remote net no
ppp -> remote net, numbered no
ppp -> rem net, unnumbered no
Note that if I did not have an example of any of the above, I would have
put n/a.
Thanks,
Danny
------------------------------
From: Jamie Bowden <jamie@inna.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:14:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 7.0 for FreeBSD :-)
WP 7.0 for $500? You're out of your mind. If the software vendors didn't
rape UNIX users for using there software, maybe more of us would.
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote:
> Well, I eagerly sent my request for WP 7.0 hope that many will do
> so also. If you don't code this is your chance to contribute 8)
>
> Regards,
> Amancio
>
> >From The Desk Of Christian Fortin :
> > That's the 3th time that I talk with guy at Corel about WP 7.0.
> > Corel seem to make avalable a version of WordPerfect 7.0 for Linux...
> > Corel have the possibility to build a WP for FreeBSD also... :-)
> >
> > But they want to have an average of how many person will buy it !
> >
> > WP 7.0 will avalable in the first quarter of 1997 at the price
> > of 495$ US for single user. You add 299$ US for add licences...
> >
> > It include the support for many kind of keyboard language
> > and all the stuf for build graphique...
> > The files are compatible with WP for Windows and DOS.
> >
> > A Java version of Corel Office will be also avalable...
> >
> >
> >
> > #######################################################
> > # Send an e-mail with your coodinate at: #
> > # wp@ec.camitel.com #
> > # Just say: I want WP 7.0 For freeBSD !!! at 495$ #
> > # Name: #
> > # #tel: #
> > # #Fax: #
> > # Adress: #
> > # ZIP: #
> > #######################################################
> >
> > If Corel take desision to release a FreeBSD version
> > a person from Corel will contact you in few month...
> > It depend how many personne want it...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Christian Fortin <cfortin@ec.camitel.com>
> > Date: 11/20/96
> > Heure: 13:24:21
> > ##################################################--------+
> > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 |
> > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 |
> > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec |
> > Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com |
> > G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J
> > --------------------------L---WM-----<
> > \----1
> > ---
> > -
>
>
>
Jamie Bowden
Network Administrator, TBI Ltd.
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