Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:01:19 -0400 From: "Ben Kaduk" <minimarmot@gmail.com> To: "Jo Rhett" <jrhett@netconsonance.com> Cc: freebsd-stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... Message-ID: <47d0403c0809192001r62653ff4w93301f8a7ab4cf23@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <851F09A2-788D-4343-9E00-A0AB5C3AC063@netconsonance.com> References: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809162043380.64176@fledge.watson.org> <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809181935540.16464@fledge.watson.org> <15F15FD1-3C53-4018-8792-BC63289DC4C2@netconsonance.com> <448wtpcikb.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <C096D142-4572-48DF-8CCA-053B41003A07@netconsonance.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809191158330.40909@fledge.watson.org> <34C3D54B-C88C-4C36-B1FE-C07FC27F8CB5@netconsonance.com> <20080920020703.GA82392@phat.za.net> <851F09A2-788D-4343-9E00-A0AB5C3AC063@netconsonance.com>
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On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Aragon Gouveia wrote: >>> >>> To get a business to commit resources to a project there must be an >>> actual goal. >> >> [1] The FreeBSD project would have to commit resources too. Its community > > Of course. This is what the requirements analysis is ;-) > >> For (a), (b), and (z), this is where you come in. Define the goal. Make >> a >> plan to get there. Assess the effort involved. Convince your employer >> that >> (a), (b) and (z) is worth it to him/her and that the result of (z) will >> convince the FreeBSD project to commit the resources needed to integrate >> it. >> If they're happy, start working on (z) and bring it to the FreeBSD project >> when you think it's ready. > > > Of course. If this was something that could be done without working with > the freebsd developers, do you think I would put up with this kind of abuse? > I'd much rather have something I could just go and do ;-) > > The issue is that nobody is willing to answer the question: "what resources > are too limited to provide longer support? How can we help?" > Jo, I think this is the clearest way you have stated your point yet, and it is quite definitely the crux of the issue: What resources does re@ not have, that releases are supported for these short times? I have never run a release, so I can't be much more specific that ``man-hours'' -- someone else should chime in and say what those hours would be spent on, if they were there. I think this is a great opportunity for the project, and a few pointers for how one could maintain an independent support of older releases would give the rest of us a great resource. -Ben Kaduk
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